Norman helm progress pic.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 8:39 pm

Inside:
[img]http://www.cox-internet.com/halberds/inside.jpg[/img]
This is the sandwich design. Per Mr. Egfroth.

This is the outside so far:
[img]http://www.cox-internet.com/halberds/outside.jpg[/img]

Final design on the nasel and all the rivets to pound. Any comments welcome.

Hal

Egfroth · Post by **Egfroth** » Sun Feb 02, 2003 9:13 pm

Looking good! Am I right in thinking you reduced the size of the top of the cross?

It's going to be a very nice helmet.

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"I can hear the word money from a distance of fifty miles, if the wind's in the right direction"

Major Dennis Bloodnok, Queen's Forty-Third Deserters (retd.)

see my webpage at www.geocities.com/egfrothos

Brodir · Post by **Brodir** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:14 am

Hal, you are a workaholic. Looks excellent though, any chance you need another maille shirt?

~Wil

Padrig · Post by **Padrig** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:27 am

Pwety! I like the hammered finish on the panels.

Why the straps inside?

Pat

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Xander · Post by **Xander** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 2:16 pm

very nice you've done a great job.

Xander

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"Thats very shaky moral ground Kalten," Bevier said disapprovingly.
"I know" Kalten admitted. "That's why you have to run across the top of it so fast."

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:52 pm

Egfroth, no the cross is the same. I think I am going to chunk it down in the creek with the rest of my flops. Maybe go with a nice Tee shape. BYW are the cut outs over the eyes historical?

Brodir, no but chasses would be nice ;-)

Thank you Xander I would still like to see pic of your helm.

Padrig, this pic is for you.
[img]http://www.cox-internet.com/halberds/sandwich.jpg[/img]
This is how Egfroth explained it to me.

Happy hammering

Hal

Xander · Post by **Xander** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 8:37 am

what padding you going to put in it? Or are you going to use a suspension liner? I can't get my "armour archive~@home" webspace to work but my friend has a website and I'll ask him to put some of my pics there and I get a link to that site. (gonna look pretty strange seeing as its a computer networking site).

Xander

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"Thats very shaky moral ground Kalten," Bevier said disapprovingly.
"I know" Kalten admitted. "That's why you have to run across the top of it so fast."

Padrig · Post by **Padrig** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 12:28 pm

Thanks for the explanation Hal, that's what I thought. I am also curious to the why. Was it only to have one row of rivets? Strenght? Any historical basis to this? I imagine that it was harder to fit together than the one with straps on the outside only.

Pat

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Egfroth · Post by **Egfroth** » Wed Feb 05, 2003 2:14 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Halberds:
Egfroth, no the cross is the same. I think I am going to chunk it down in the creek with the rest of my flops. Maybe go with a nice Tee shape. BYW are the cut outs over the eyes historical?

Hal<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice diagram, Hal. Very clear. Regarding eyebrow cut-outs, they're still arguing the toss. We can prove their existence in England up to about 750 AD, and in Eastern Europe till about 1200. But not England in the 11th century - possibly because nothing at all has been found in the way of helmets for that time and place.

Thanks for the explanation Hal, that's what I thought. I am also curious to the why. Was it only to have one row of rivets? Strenght?

Dunno - it's because . . . leading to

Any historical basis to this?

Yes - both the Gjermundbu Viking helmet and the Benty Grange helmet were made this way.

 I imagine that it was harder to fit together than the one with straps on the outside only.
Pat

Oh, yes . . especially for the Gjermundbu helmet, which has particularly narrow outside straps. See my reconstruction at http://www.geocities.com/egfrothos/Gjermundbu.html

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Egfroth

"I can hear the word money from a distance of fifty miles, if the wind's in the right direction"

Major Dennis Bloodnok, Queen's Forty-Third Deserters (retd.)

see my webpage at www.geocities.com/egfrothos

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Wed Feb 05, 2003 11:11 pm

Gentlemen,

Let me say this about the construction.
I like it!

PROS:
1. It is simpler than the double row rivet style.
2. Fewer rivets to pound.
3. Panels are pulled up nice and tidy.
4. It shapes over the mushroom better.
5. Better dishing on the bands. No ripple around the rivets.
6. Panels will not be marred during assembly.
7. Touch up maintenance will be easier.

CONS:
1. More material used.
2. More cutting.
3. Increased weight.

This helm was a test. It is only 8 1/4" front to back and 6 7/8" side to side. 16ga panels with double 14ga bands. A little too heavy for me. The new rivets arrived, 1/4" shank by 7/16" domed head. I will go ahead and install them on this helm.

As for the art deco nasel cross:
I will let my history slide a little. I might do some russiting on it. The next one will be very historical. This one has served it's purpose. I have some maille laying around I think I will add a drape. Now wont that help the weight out?

Hal.

Ps: Special thanks to my Mentor Egfroth for without him I would of never tried this technique.

Egfroth · Post by **Egfroth** » Thu Feb 06, 2003 3:13 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Halberds:
Gentlemen,

Let me say this about the construction.
I like it!

PROS:
1. It is simpler than the double row rivet style.
2. Fewer rivets to pound.
3. Panels are pulled up nice and tidy.
4. It shapes over the mushroom better.
5. Better dishing on the bands. No ripple around the rivets.
6. Panels will not be marred during assembly.
7. Touch up maintenance will be easier.
CONS:
1. More material used.
2. More cutting.
3. Increased weight.



Interesting comments . . .

As for the art deco nasel cross:
I will let my history slide a little. I might do some russiting on it.

Say it isn't so!

The next one will be very historical.

I should bloody hope so! ;-)

Hal.

Ps: Special thanks to my Mentor Egfroth for without him I would of never tried this technique.

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(Blush) I bet you say that to all the girls!

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Egfroth

"I can hear the word money from a distance of fifty miles, if the wind's in the right direction"

Major Dennis Bloodnok, Queen's Forty-Third Deserters (retd.)

see my webpage at www.geocities.com/egfrothos

Derian le Breton · Post by **Derian le Breton** » Thu Feb 06, 2003 11:13 pm

Very nicely done Hal, it looks great!

-Donasian.

Padrig · Post by **Padrig** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 12:16 am

Hal, why wont you come to the chat?

Pat

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Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 12:52 am

Hi Pat.
I do not know how to use the new chat. I will look in on the old chat now.

Hal

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 1:01 am

Nobody is ever in their anymore. So I talk to my self. Buhahahahahahahahahah......

Padrig · Post by **Padrig** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 1:22 am

We have got to get somebody to help you set it up.

Pat

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