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Late 14th century patterns

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:05 am
by Kenwrec Wulfe
I am looking for (as close to histoically accurate as possible) patterns for the following late (like 1390-1400) 14th century clothing articles:

Braies
Chausses (split hosen)
an "undershirt" - (same as the St Louis shirt?)
The Cottehardie
The Houpplande
Hood/Chaperone

Happy to buy them....just want them to be accurate patterns.

Thanks!

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:35 am
by Guy Dawkins

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:10 pm
by Karen Larsdatter
Much agreed w/ Guy regarding websites as good resources for the garments you're looking for. The Atlantian A&S Links include sections for braies, chausses, 14th century clothing, 15th century clothing, hoods, and men's medieval headwear. (A St. Louis shirt will work under a cote, as long as the shirt is shorter than the cote.)

Thursfield's Medieval Tailor's Assistant is of great assistance in terms of wrapping your brain around construction for most of the garments you're looking for.

If you absolutely need paper patterns, check out La Fleur de Lyse's Medieval Accessories pattern (includes patterns for a hood, braies, and instructions for fitted chausses). For my cotes & fitted gowns, I use a template that started out life as the torso & sleeve of a now out-of-print Simplicity pattern; Gruff seems to be most comfortable in the cotes made for him based on the Period Patterns pattern.




Edited to add some comments on houppelandes, since I seem to be doing a lot of 'em lately ...
I tend to go in various directions to get the look I want on a houppelande. Gruff's last houppelande, based to some extent on illustrations at http://www.maisonstclaire.org/resources/skin_out/menswear/menswear_houpellandes_small.html, used a high collar from Medieval Tailor's Assistant, sleeves from http://www.virtue.to/articles/bag_sleeve.html, and a body that was sketched out to fit the two (and be as full as possible for the amount of brocade we had). Around the same time, I was working on a brocade gown of a similar era for myself, to be based on a young woman in the April illustration of the Tres Riches Heures du Duc de Berry; the upper torso came from the kirtle from Costume Connection's 14th Century Woman, the sleeve from Hunnisett's Period Costume for Stage & Screen. The dress I'm in the middle of right now, which'll resemble a lady from the Tacuinum Sanitatis, uses the Simplicity template for the upper torso, and a modified version of the aforementioned bag sleeve.

There is no universal authentic look for all houppelandes (or cotes, etc.) Four houppelandes, I usually pick a reasonably realistic illustration that I want to replicate, and figure out what elements it'll need to have in order to get that look -- whether those elements are based on garment finds & artifacts, from modern costume-books or patterns, or just from trial & error -- and bodge it together based on that.

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:21 pm
by Kenwrec Wulfe
Thanks for the info.

The reason I was looking for a pattern is that I am not a sewing or fabric guru. I can look at a piece of metal and figure it out..... I can look at a piece of fabric, painting or other depiction of a garment and I am not able to determine what its UNdraped, UNfolded, fully layed out shape would be.

I can sew fine, but I do not have an eye for fabric. :)

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:41 am
by Tailoress
I'm probably going to a special hell reserved just for true believers who step out of line :P , but here's a list of commercial patterns that *supposedly* can be used to make somewhat medieval-looking fitted gowns for women. (Is that enough damning with faint praise?)

Butterick 3932:view C

Simplicity 8229:view 2, 9505, 5598

McCalls 8096, 3398

Bridal Elegance "pointy sleeve pattern" (?); apparently good for helping you to make the hanging bell or angel sleeves of the turn of the 15thc.

There are also SCA publications, Compleat Anachronist 38 and 39, which supposedly cover this topic, but I've never seen them and can't recommend them without knowing more.

In no way am I saying I know anything about these patterns or publications, but I had the list handy from some old email list I was on and thought I'd toss it out there.

Some of these patterns are pretty old at this point, so I'm not even sure if you can still find them commercially under those same numbers, or at all.

-Tasha