Raiper Fighters --seeking info on "Frogs"--

[AEiric Orvender]

Raiper frogs I mean,
made often of leather hung from the belt and utilizing straped "belts" to secure the rapier scabard.

My google-fu and reasearch-fu is rather weak today so I need some information on the use of these "frogs" within the SCA(Rapier combat) Period.

Thank you for any help you might be able to offer.


Æiric

The item I'm attempting to reasearch is along these lines mut MUCH mor decroitive.
[img]http://www.ravenswoodleather.com/Frogs/Images/Rapier/frog3.jpg[/img]


Thanks again

[Alex Baird]

You may want to contact the guy who made this:
http://www.mrows.org/swordhanger.html
Todde mac Donnell has taught a class on the period construction of Elizabethan sword hangers. He's who I'd ask for the references.

[AEiric Orvender]

You may want to contact the guy who made this:
http://www.mrows.org/swordhanger.html
Todde mac Donnell has taught a class on the period construction of Elizabethan sword hangers. He's who I'd ask for the references.

BINGO!!! Exactly what I was looking for!!!!!

Might you have contact info for Todde mac Donnell is he on the Archive?

EDIT
Have found e-mail contact for Todde, thank you for your help on this!!!

[d-farrell2]

if you can get a hold of a copy of Armi Bianche Italiane (sp?) - there are some examples of very decorative rapier/sidesword hangers and scabbards.

I've uploaded a couple hi-res color scans from the book (if you PM me an addy I can email the original resolution - its pretty huge). The rapier hanger buckle set that Historic Enterprises sells is very similar to the ones pictured.

Hope this helps

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3178/306 ... 9904_b.jpg

[AEiric Orvender]

if you can get a hold of a copy of Armi Bianche Italiane (sp?) - there are some examples of very decorative rapier/sidesword hangers and scabbards.

I've uploaded a couple hi-res color scans from the book (if you PM me an addy I can email the original resolution - its pretty huge). The rapier hanger buckle set that Historic Enterprises sells is very similar to the ones pictured.

Hope this helps

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3178/306 ... 9904_b.jpg

Ahh yes, wonderfull! PM sent

[Rittmeister Frye]

Some photo's of originals and high-quality reproductions:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Patrick.Gaul/SwordHangers#

Also, Arms and Armour has some nice (and pricey) reproductions available:

http://www.armor.com/rapier201.html

And Tattershall Arms carries the proper fittings:

http://www.tattershallarms.org/gear.html

Cheers!

Gordon

[sha-ul]

I was glancing at the links provided by Gordon, and was struck by one,(As displayed at the Royal Armoury at Leeds, UK)

I haven't seen a rapier worn with a harness before, most images are of unarmoured gentles for example, , in the second image they appear to be wearing doublets but not any hard armour.(possibly a jack of plates) so the top picture is the first visual documentation of a hard suit& rapier.

[Konstantin the Red]

Sha-ul, the Leeds example is really a full-size sword. See the broad scabbard? Late-sixteenth swords did have a lot of rapier-esque features, even to a slenderness of blade outline, and sixteenth-century sword furniture looks like nothing else -- shapes that put you in mind of fine antique furniture. But Oakeshott tells us the 16th-c. sword of war could be distinguished from the civilian rapier by its feel: it was a full-on sword if it gives the impression you could cut a man's arm off with it. Rapiers don't feel like that.

Rapiers, of course, were cutting-edge style then, and a lot of sword carrying and decoration showed rapier features. Hence, this detail of the Leeds harness.

[AEiric Orvender]

I want to thank everyone for their help on this, as always the Archive is the place to go, for information, assistance and advice on ALL things armor and weapon related!

Thanks all.

If any are intrested my completed project is posted here

Again my thanks!

Æiric