so after a month or two without material, or material to use rather as ive gotten more thoughtful to using my material since then, I have gotten some more material and have a project in mind. after I got this new material which is a few street signs they were taking down in a neighborhood, I have wanted to make a 16th century style articulated gorget for awhile and I also remembered johann's build thread for his gorget. I have started re-reading the thread and have started as mac advised from the top down and have started on the top section of the ring.
after a pass or two of hammer rolling this is where its at.
the half on the top is curled slightly more and so I will have to even them out but so far they look pretty similar.
after a few more passes of the hammer rolling I will hit it from the inside to start planishing and to give it a bit of a compound curve.
this is where its at so far, next I plan to finish these then fit them up and then start on the rest of the neck.
Keep in mind you will need enough material for roll and hinge.
- "There's three of you, and only one of me. But that doesn't mean there are more of you. It's a mathematical paradox and an exception from the rule.
- What? What does that mean?
- That means *uck off. While you still can".
i know. I might have to restart on this if they aren't wide enough but my plan it to thin it out at the roll edge because the aluminum it pretty thick and then roll it but we'll see when we get ther I guess. Also there is another inch or more of material on each side for hinges, since yesterday I have done two more rounds or hammer rolling and annealed it once because it was getting hard to work with
They will gum up a bit, but they don't chew into the aluminum nearly the way that other discs do. after finding them, I'm finally able to use up the signs I was able to purchase ages ago but had put aside as not being viable.
thank you! That's very helpful, it usually comes off during hammering and annealing but being able to remove it before then would be nice for me and my lungs. today I did a couple rounds of hammer curling and one of annealing.
after the first round and evening them up alittle bit this is where I was at
so they are more even after that but the one on the bottom looks like it has a smoother curve so I worked on that while trying to keep them as even as possible
right now Im wondering if I should diverge from the original and other reproductions of it by not having the hinge be integral and insted making a seperate set of hinges and making them fit up to cutouts where the hinges would be otherwise, thoughts?
in my opinion, exact following on specific example is not important in first projects. I would focus on basics execution: ergonomics, mechanical correctness, shapes, aesthetic details. Just take as many pictures of as many examples as you can, study them on how elements of a piece should be made and melt it in "yours" first gorget. Trying to make exact replica and ending with bumps, ugly hammer marks or careless rolls is no good anyway. When you'll be able to do rolls, edges, surfaces, rolls etc 'good enough on your work, there will be a time to turn your attention to follow examples as a whole. My advise after seeing your previous work - you can try integral hinge but if you fail do a separate one, but do it good and nice, you will learn from it. Don't rush.
- "There's three of you, and only one of me. But that doesn't mean there are more of you. It's a mathematical paradox and an exception from the rule.
- What? What does that mean?
- That means *uck off. While you still can".
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human wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 7:56 pm
right now Im wondering if I should diverge from the original and other reproductions of it by not having the hinge be integral and insted making a seperate set of hinges and making them fit up to cutouts where the hinges would be otherwise, thoughts?
Gorgets were made both ways. With integral hinges and with separate hinges.
Getting the plates to work well together , fit and hinge is an annoyance. Making the hinge separate allows you more room for changes and to make up for mistakes.
Trust me, there are lots of ways to mess up a gorget... Been there, done that.
Also, at some point I expect that you will find out that sign material is pretty thick. Getting a good roll and hinge in that will be more trouble than it would be in proper thickness material. A lot more trouble...
I don't know if you have any scrap yards around you, but it can be worth spending a few bucks to avoid major pain and suffering.
So, I have just remembered that i have some thin steel lying around and am going to make a test version of the gorget out of that. but until then I also want to use up some of my aluminum and have been looking at alot of hussar armor lately. so I am going to try to make a hussar breastplate to, and will work on making patterns over the weekend.
So I have the patterns all cut and traced out and am going to cut my material later today hopefully, also if you are on here Rene I thought you might want to know I found this listing online of one of your beautiful fantasy suits www.etsy.com/listing/1443719219/medieva ... sy-costume
Hello Tony. Before you go any deeper into the Gorget, a few thoughts:
Patterning a gorget necessitates an idea of the helmet and also assumptions about the breastplate:
1. Most 15th c. plate bevors go over the breastplate. Most 16-17th c. gorgets go under it.
2. The underlap of the gorget with the Breast & Backplate will be about two fingers each.
3. The width of the gorget in front will be the same as the width of the corresponding place on the breastplate, including gussets. Same for the Backplate.
4. Full gorgets reach high - The upper edge reaches up to touch the flesh under the chin. It can be depressed after all. Have or make the helmet to match this.
A few others here have achieved mastery with gorgets. And/or all else... They can tell you more.
Keep on crafting. Best, Indi
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Thank you for the advice! at this point I am going to get some rather thin steel to make a test version and learn as much and figure as much out there, then move on from there. Also thank you for the points about gorgets I will keep those in mind and they are very helpful.
I really wonder why they have to do this.