viking and late 14th c waterskins
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viking and late 14th c waterskins
can someone please refer me to images or designs or even patterns for making leather water containers for both the viking age and for a late 14th century portrayal. thanks.
- Dave Womble
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I havn't seen any examples (archeological, artistic or literary) of Viking Age waterskins....I'm not saying there were none, just saying I havnt read anything about what they may have looked like. Lots of Examples of buckets and pails, and examples of bags and pouches, but I havn't seen anything about leather waterskins. I'd assume they would have looked much like other ancient/medieval waterskins...made of animal bladders.
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The museum of London has some leather water bottles from (iirc) the fourteenth or fifteenth century. One looks like a barrel on it´s side. there are two round sides and the main body (basically a rectangular piece of leather) has a seam starting at either end curving upwards to form a snout in the middle.
The other one stands on a round section and has a snout at the top and a seam running along one side.
The other one stands on a round section and has a snout at the top and a seam running along one side.
I think there may have been an extant wineskin (fragments) from the wreck of the Spanish ship Atocha. But that's very late (16th century) with regards to the period you are targeting.
Just for interest, here's a pic of a basic water/wine flask made by Matt Amt for one of his Myceneaen portrayals:
http://whoa.femail.com/hoplite/flask1.jpg
IIRC, the Atocha flask is more or less the same. The design seems "timeless" in a way.
Just for interest, here's a pic of a basic water/wine flask made by Matt Amt for one of his Myceneaen portrayals:
http://whoa.femail.com/hoplite/flask1.jpg
IIRC, the Atocha flask is more or less the same. The design seems "timeless" in a way.
Not making any claims of accuracy but you might try tis link http://geocities.com/ladysveva/Leather/ ... terns.html
I've made these and they are kinda fun to make.
Russ Holmes
I've made these and they are kinda fun to make.
Russ Holmes
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I think that there's an Anglo-Saxon fragment of pottery of a water bottle made to look (shape, inscribed straps) like a water skin.
I'll see if I can find my Anglo-Saxon pottery book, or ask our potter, Jan Derry.
If they're making ceramic models of leather objects, then quid pro quo...
I'll see if I can find my Anglo-Saxon pottery book, or ask our potter, Jan Derry.
If they're making ceramic models of leather objects, then quid pro quo...
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That's the quid pro quo part in my post above: without a model, the artifact would not exist in this particualr form.
I've always interpreted the X as decorative or suspensive strapping.
...and were it not for that one artifact, someone would state: "Oh no, we have absolutely no evidence for such a thing in such a context."
I've always interpreted the X as decorative or suspensive strapping.
...and were it not for that one artifact, someone would state: "Oh no, we have absolutely no evidence for such a thing in such a context."
Of course I was kidding. You don't poke any holes in your bottel, at least no more than you absolutely need. The two suspension holes at the "ears" should be enough.Wyrm wrote:I guess certain tried and true designs stay around for centuries. I think the 'X' is prabably purely aesthetic. I cant work out any practical significance it would have.
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Some additional costrels in artwork (15th century):
http://expositions.bnf.fr/gastro/grands/116.htm
http://gallica.bnf.fr/image?L=07827186&I=000001
http://www.wga.hu/html/g/goes/calvary/calvar11.html
Related links:
http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/i ... &catid=532
http://expositions.bnf.fr/gastro/grands/116.htm
http://gallica.bnf.fr/image?L=07827186&I=000001
http://www.wga.hu/html/g/goes/calvary/calvar11.html
Related links:
http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/i ... &catid=532