SCA legal Sallet

RampantWolf · Post by **RampantWolf** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:40 pm

I need help getting an SCA legal Gothic Sallet, I'm somewhat tight on budget so it needs to be less than $400 Any help will be amazing, 16 or 14 gauge it doesnt matter just as long as it's covers my head and is SCA legal, bye

Amanda M · Post by **Amanda M** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:12 pm

I wouldn't trust my noggin to 16 guage myself.

Pedro Ramirez · Post by **Pedro Ramirez** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:12 pm

An SCA legal helmet really should have at least a 12ga skull with 14ga fittings. Any thinner than that and you're asking for trouble.
Now, finding one that looks good under $400.00 means you'll be buying someone's second hand helmet. I know of no SCA legal Sallet for that price range.
But you never know, someone might be willing to put one together for you.
Pedro

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:19 am

So, going with a German/Holy Roman Empire style of 15th-c. harness?

It may also be worthwhile budgetwise to consider the other end of the sallet spectrum. I'll have to hunt up the thread, but it looks like there might be relatively inexpensive Italian celatas out there -- though these distinctive helmets aren't normally seen in in-stock galleries. With a fixed bargrill... you get the idea, and it is a kind of sallet. Just saw a pic of one in another thread you appeared in...

Your Glaive Thread Meinhard's pic, near the top, man to the left w/mace. Very nice 15th-c. harness on him, though it wants shoulders.

And OTOH, $400 is two thirds of the way to $600, and that might loosen up some choices. Spread payments over a few months so it doesn't crush your wallet.

YMHoward · Post by **YMHoward** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:10 am

I got my helmet, new, made to order, for 450 australian dollars. that works out just under 400 us. Shipping wouldnt add to much on, but would take some time.

it is the "sca helm" on this page http://web.mac.com/austinforge/iWeb/Austin%20Forge/Armour.html

I recommend him, he is doing most of my armour, except for some stuff that I am buying from some of the guys here.

Parlan · Post by **Parlan** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:37 am

Helmut's got one for sale...

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... let+sallet

schreiber · Post by **schreiber** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:56 am

Parlan wrote:Helmut's got one for sale...

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... let+sallet

Hufffff.... hufff.... huff... phew....
All I could think was "I most certainly do not!!!"
Glad to find out it's a different Helmut and a different Helmet.
All I can say is I hope one of my daughters has a 23 3/4" head because my sallet is NEVER leaving the immediate family....

It's a celata - style helm that was made by Windrose right before he started charging more reasonable prices for his hats. So I got it for a song, basically.

Now, my brother-in-law also got a sallet from Windrose about the same time, and promptly left it in my possession, never to be worn. I will need to take pictures of it tonight but I can't offer it for sale until I talk to him, and he's in the middle of moving and doesn't have a phone yet.

I'll do some digging and see if I can free it up. I'm not sure if it'll be able to go for $400 though.

-Helmut der Schreiber

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:31 am

Pedro Ramirez wrote:An SCA legal helmet really should have at least a 12ga skull with 14ga fittings. Any thinner than that and you're asking for trouble.
Now, finding one that looks good under $400.00 means you'll be buying someone's second hand helmet. I know of no SCA legal Sallet for that price range.
But you never know, someone might be willing to put one together for you.
Pedro

I disagree, with, well pretty much everything you said.

1. SCA minimums is 16ga (finished thickness) steel helmet. A 16ga helmet is SAFE. It may not withstand 20 years of punishment, but it should be safe. If you are crushing 16ga helmets you are hitting to hard.

Would I recommend a 16ga helmet to anyone? Unless it is spring steel probably not. Not because it is unsafe, but because it won't last all that long and they would not get their money's worth out of it before it was unusable.

That being said, I have used helms with 14ga bowls and 16ga sides for years and never had a problem.

2. Here are a few Armourers that have made or do make Sallets that could be SCA legal or are SCA legal:

http://therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1090.html
http://therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1089.html

Therion Arms, selling a Get Dressed For Battle Visored Sallet, 14ga. I have seen these 1st hand and they look good. If your head fits in one, it could easily be made SCA legal: $250 with bevor, or $175 without.

http://wildarmoury.com/product_info.php ... ecd2e4318d

Wild Armoury, Open Faced Sallet with Before. SCA legal. A little more than $400 ($486) But, a nice Sallet/Bevor combination.

http://hammerbreaker.com.ua/catalog/pro ... ucts_id=52

Hammer Breaker, 14ga, $396, Nice German Sallet, Add a bar grill under the helm and you have a nice SCA legal sallet.

http://www.truehearth.com/cwork03.html

Truehearth, custom Sallet, not the best example as far as looks go. But he does good solid, safe work that looks ok.

Rampant Wolf, What type of Gothic Sallet are you looking for?

^ · Post by ^ » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:50 am

InsaneIrish wrote:Therion Arms, selling a Get Dressed For Battle Visored Sallet, 14ga. I have seen these 1st hand and they look good. If your head fits in one, it could easily be made SCA legal: $250 with bevor, or $175 without.

Anyone know anyone who has fought in one of these or any of the other GDFB line?

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:39 am

Piers Brent wrote:
InsaneIrish wrote:Therion Arms, selling a Get Dressed For Battle Visored Sallet, 14ga. I have seen these 1st hand and they look good. If your head fits in one, it could easily be made SCA legal: $250 with bevor, or $175 without.

Anyone know anyone who has fought in one of these or any of the other GDFB line?

I have not fought in one, but I did handle one at Gulf Wars. It was well made enough that, had it fit me, I would not have had a problem fighting in it.

^ · Post by ^ » Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:11 am

Well you are insane.

There really are kinda two things that are concerns of mind. The quality of the steel, which frankly can't be much lower if any lower then 1008. And how heavily they sanded and polished them. To a certain degree I'm guessing only getting one and hitting it is what will satisfy me and then there is the problem of consistency.

Benedek · Post by **Benedek** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:26 pm

Konstantin the Red wrote:So, going with a German/Holy Roman Empire style of 15th-c. harness?

It may also be worthwhile budgetwise to consider the other end of the sallet spectrum. I'll have to hunt up the thread, but it looks like there might be relatively inexpensive Italian celatas out there -- though these distinctive helmets aren't normally seen in in-stock galleries. With a fixed bargrill... you get the idea, and it is a kind of sallet. Just saw a pic of one in another thread you appeared in...

Your Glaive Thread Meinhard's pic, near the top, man to the left w/mace. Very nice 15th-c. harness on him, though it wants shoulders.

And OTOH, $400 is two thirds of the way to $600, and that might loosen up some choices. Spread payments over a few months so it doesn't crush your wallet.

That's Mr Josh W himself, and it is a barbute, I usually fight in it as a loaner helm

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:51 pm

Aha. Well, it is possible to make -- and I think you can document -- a helmet that lands so exactly between the celata and the barbuta that you have to toss a coin to name it. A real nectarine of a helmet.

Benedek · Post by **Benedek** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:55 pm

Konstantin the Red wrote:Aha. Well, it is possible to make -- and I think you can document -- a helmet that lands so exactly between the celata and the barbuta that you have to toss a coin to name it. A real nectarine of a helmet.

It is, I was just being pedantic. I know it's supposed to be based on a northern Italian Barbute because it was a part of Josh W's italian suit before he got his armet.

:wink:

Wulfgar · Post by **Wulfgar** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:26 pm

YMHoward wrote:I got my helmet, new, made to order, for 450 australian dollars. that works out just under 400 us. Shipping wouldnt add to much on, but would take some time.

it is the "sca helm" on this page http://web.mac.com/austinforge/iWeb/Austin%20Forge/Armour.html

I recommend him, he is doing most of my armour, except for some stuff that I am buying from some of the guys here.

Cool, I'll have to add that one to the list

metalmasher · Post by **metalmasher** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:19 pm

i have one that GAA made a few years back. i can let it go for 450.00
[img]http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa174/Gryffenandacorn/100_0311.jpg[/img]

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:01 pm

By the way, Benedek, could you refresh me on Josh W's name and fame? I vaguely recollect that he posts here (I think) and the name rings a bell somewhere, but it is rather beastly laborious trying to search through the memberlist or posts to see what he does/did around the Archive.