Klapp visor - updated 01/08/10

Tableau · Post by **Tableau** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:53 pm

Hey guys,

So I'm working on a bascinet with a klapp visor, and I'm at the part where I'm raising the oculars. Most of the rough forming is done, but my question is this: How do I go about sharpening the indented area right in between the eyes? Also, how do I make a crisp edge all around the occulars, where they meet the body of the visor?

Thanks in advance.

Tableau · Post by **Tableau** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:02 pm

No one has advice? Am I asking a valid question?

GvR · Post by **GvR** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:23 pm

Give it some time. Weekends aren't the best time to ask as many are at events or just spending time with the family.

I am watching for the answer too. Your project is beyond my skills, but I am interested none the less.

Jestyr · Post by **Jestyr** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:36 pm

While I have no idea how to do what you are asking, I am pretty sure there was a discussion about this a number of months ago. I think it was discussed betwen MattMaus and MadMatt about whether welding and grinding, or just punching with a chisel was better. Do some searching and you may find it.

(I am not sure about the people involved or the length of time ago it was.)

Vitus von Atzinger · Post by **Vitus von Atzinger** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:47 pm

On Monday morning you will get plenty of answers.

Tableau · Post by **Tableau** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:12 pm

You guys are right. I'm getting a bit too antsy.

Jan van Nyenrode · Post by **Jan van Nyenrode** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:59 pm

Hi,

I would suggest making the occulars a little deeper. Then work the outside over a square stake like one would clean op a crease. The lower 'inside' corners I planish from the inside out over my anvil corner.

Also from the picture I would dish a bit deeper at the nose area. Also I would have slightly slanted the occulars instead of having them straight across. See attachment.

Cheers,

Max

Jon Terris · Post by **Jon Terris** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:28 pm

I use the sharp edges of a stake or anvil, hammer from the inside against the flat it to sharpen up the sides and then hammer from the outside over the edge to get the corners/ angles.

I would be tempted to make the slot slightly thinner (or extend the raised areas either side of it) they could be a little more pronounced IMHO.

Looks good though,

JonT

Tableau · Post by **Tableau** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:12 pm

Thanks for the advice, guys.

I will definitely raise the occulars further. I hadn't notice that.

The visor looks goofier with the wide occulars, but I will probably leave them that wide just because this is for SCA combat.

Baron Alcyoneus · Post by **Baron Alcyoneus** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:12 am

When you finish, don't cut the hole out, remove as little as possible, and fold the metal back inside to reinforce it.

Jehan de Pelham · Post by **Jehan de Pelham** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:04 am

That's super advice, because the ocularia take a beating. Especially the left one.

Best,

John

Tableau · Post by **Tableau** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:53 pm

Damn, I wish I had read that advice earlier. I already cut out the eyes. Oh well.

Anyway, here are pictures of the finished visor. The helm is almost done. I just need to finish the hinge attachment and as verveilles and an aventail. And a liner and chin strap, of course.

Questions and comments are welcome.

Richard de Scolay · Post by **Richard de Scolay** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:00 pm

Turned out great!

Is the hole pattern based on anything historical?

Tableau · Post by **Tableau** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:11 pm

Richard de Scolay wrote:Turned out great!

Is the hole pattern based on anything historical?

The breaths? No, I pretty much made them up. Although they may be plagiarized off of other reproduction helms I've seen.

Pitbull Armory · Post by **Pitbull Armory** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:49 am

Hi Tableau, Nice job on the Klapp there. What did you use to shape the Occulars?

Take care

Pitbull

Sean Powell · Post by **Sean Powell** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:33 am

Jon Terris wrote:I use the sharp edges of a stake or anvil, hammer from the inside against the flat it to sharpen up the sides and then hammer from the outside over the edge to get the corners/ angles.

Looks good though,

JonT

I would recomend this technique as well. Be certain that the anvil face (or generally a horn with 2 good edged) is as smooth as you would keep your hammer faces... but the answer is irrelevant as you have already gone past this point.

Looks pretty good.

Sean