Dilan No More! (Cross post)

Diglach Mac Cein · Post by **Diglach Mac Cein** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:48 pm

After 20+ years in the SCA, I've spent the last year looking for some new direction to take, especially given my recent problems with my knees, elbows and shoulders.

I've been long impressed and inspired by the efforts of Vitus, Kieran, Eikbrandr, Gunnar and others who have truely taken their potrayals to another level - so I am going to try to follow suit!

Oddly enough, one of the first things I discovered is that my name isn't documentable for the SCA time period.... So, I'm changing it.

As of January 1, 2010 -

I am changing my name to - Diglach mac CÃ©in (phonetically this is Djee-lakh mac Keen). This name is very accurate (and documentable) to both the culture and time period of my interest (Heroic Age Ireland), and I am going to try very, very hard to continue this is as many aspects as I can manage.

I have no illusions that I will be called 'Dilan' for a while yet, but I do appreciate and wish to thank you, friends in Tirneywydd, in making the effort, as you have with EIkbrandr and others. But this, like everything else in the SCA (and life) is part of the journey.

Oh! By the by - the word for "knight" for my period of Ireland would be "Curad" (curra).

I do want to also thank Tigernach for his AMAZING knowledge and help in researching and finalizing this change! And he didn't even laugh at my research efforts (though he did improve on it A LOT.)

I look forward to seeing you all again soon!

I remain (from this point forward) -

Diglach mac Cein

Done this day, nearly 12 years after I first took up valor during the reign of Edmund and Kateryn

Syrfinn · Post by **Syrfinn** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:56 pm

Very cool, and good luck, it is definitely a hard road to go thru after so long.

Have to admit, this last year I have been thinking of the same thing, though I have been trying to figure out how to change mine to fit better my personna, 5th Cent Visigoth.

Will definitely have to remember the name change next time I see ya, Diglach.

Rudolph · Post by **Rudolph** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:41 am

Congrats. It's nice having a name that fits the time and place.

I always felt a bit odd about mine not being quite right, so this past Pennsic sat down with one of the great volunteers at Heralds point trying to find and research a proper Hungarian name for my time period. Just waiting to hear if it passes.

Rudolph · Post by **Rudolph** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:42 am

Congrats. It's nice having a name that fits the time and place.

I always felt a bit odd about mine not being quite right, so this past Pennsic sat down with one of the great volunteers at Heralds point trying to find and research a proper Hungarian name for my time period. Just waiting to hear if it passes.

Gorm · Post by **Gorm** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:01 am

Not to be *too* much of a wet blanket....but...

Have you submitted the name, and has it gone through the Heralds?

Yes, you believe it is acceptably documentable and documented (and my quick and dirty search leaves me believing you), but there have been many things that seem like they should be no-brainers that get bounced at the CoA for one reason or another.

Trust me...I was the guy who had to tell folks (including my wife...that went well...) about those cases for 2 very long years.

Just advising a bit of caution before you plunge whole hog into the difficulty of breaking people to a new name.

Diglach Mac Cein · Post by **Diglach Mac Cein** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:46 am

Gorm -

Oh yes. Took my time on this, and consulted with someone I feel is one of the best research people for names and heraldry in the Midrealm (Tigernach here on AA). He didn't even laugh at me on my first attempts, and then really put things all together.

Multiple references for first and last name, all within my chosen time period.

.

Graedwyn · Post by **Graedwyn** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:39 am

I always wish that I had changed my name
to something more accurate when I came back
after a 10 year hiatus about 18 years ago.
But now I think it would be too confusing,
and I am too lazy.
I have all those pieces of paper with
this name on them. . .

-Graedwyn

raito · Post by **raito** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:58 am

Gorm wrote:Have you submitted the name, and has it gone through the Heralds?

Why bother?

dukelogan · Post by **dukelogan** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:36 pm

because it is a part of the sca. the sca is a society people choose to join, as such they should show it enough respect to confirm to the basics like using documented names and heraldry. we really should not feel comfortable picking and choosing which parts of the sca we find convienent to us and then ignoring the rest.

regards
logan

raito wrote:
Gorm wrote:Have you submitted the name, and has it gone through the Heralds?

Why bother?

Gorm · Post by **Gorm** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:17 pm

Eeek...I agreed with Logan again...that makes...what...3 times this year?

Hide the whiskey and head for the hills...it's the apocalypse...

Jess · Post by **Jess** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:10 pm

dukelogan wrote:because it is a part of the sca. the sca is a society people choose to join, as such they should show it enough respect to confirm to the basics like using documented names and heraldry. we really should not feel comfortable picking and choosing which parts of the sca we find convienent to us and then ignoring the rest.

regards
logan

But your Grace, your statement assumes the name is NOT accurate and documentable, doesn't it?

I went to a lot of effort finding appropriate heraldy by reviewing rolls. I then met with my local herald and then the herald's pinte at Pennsic. There was no conflict. I made submission. It was lost. I refiled the next Pennsic when I was again assured there was no conflict. It was again lost. It became a "lost sheep". Several years later, it was found and I recently learned that it is now considered to be too similar to something that has since been registered. You may characterize it as disrespectful. Maybe it is. But I sure as hell am not changing it or wasting another second in a herald's tent. It's possible someone could come along and paint a very similar device to mine and display it. If it is a combatant who does so, that might present lots of opportunities for good natured fun.

But what about the possibility someone could adopt the name or device of our dead? I think that's like name uniqueness and is not something that has to be legislated by the rules when social pressure sorts these things out satisfactorily.

BTW, isn't your name registered as Logan Blackwoulfe?

Leo Medii · Post by **Leo Medii** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:37 pm

My name and heraldry didn't pass.

As I had lots of it before the SCA, I just said...oh well.

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:37 pm

Great name Dig. I can call you Dig, right? :twisted:

And I would not piss on the college of heralds if they were on fire.

Diglach Mac Cein · Post by **Diglach Mac Cein** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:40 pm

I am submitting it through the heralds. I've researched to confirm no conflicts and that it is accurate and documentable.

And I agree - we should NOT pick and choose what parts of the SCA we find convenient and ignore or whine about. On of off the field, in or out of court.

I figue a couple hours of my time and a few bucks are well worth it - besides, I'm betting that about the same time the new name passes, people will remeber to use it!

D

[quote="dukelogan"]because it is a part of the sca. the sca is a society people choose to join, as such they should show it enough respect to confirm to the basics like using documented names and heraldry. we really should not feel comfortable picking and choosing which parts of the sca we find convienent to us and then ignoring the rest.

regards
logan

[quote]

Diglach Mac Cein · Post by **Diglach Mac Cein** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:42 pm

Well, it's pronounced Djee-lakh...

But hey, as long as "Hey Diglach/Dig!" isn't immediately followed by BAM "Made you look!" I'm OK with it.

Nissan Maxima wrote:Great name Dig. I can call you Dig, right? And I would not piss on the college of heralds if they were on fire.

dukelogan · Post by **dukelogan** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:27 pm

jess,
you are confused. i was responding to raitos comment when gorm asked if the original poster had submitted it to the college of heralds. in his response raito simply stated "why bother?". simply dismissing one aspect of the sca with no explaination seems silly and the comment appeared to be an open question, which i responded to. i made no assumptions on anything.

and yes, the name i have registered with my arms is logan blackwoulfe. that was the holding name that the college agreed on after a very lengthy debate over the 30 pages of documentation i submitted for my name and various heraldic arms. i know that you are attempting to expose me as a hypocrite and i understand that. however, it really doesnt apply since i only commented on the process of submitting a name an d heraldry to the college and not that their word is the only word. if i had suggested that a person was in the wrong if they did not accept the decision of the college then, yes, you would be right to call me on it with your pointed and rhetorical question. but i didnt, and i dont feel that way.

i do, however, feel that dismissing any aspect of the sca simply because one doesnt like it or feel its a good thing by stating "why bother?" is a poor attitude and one that should be challenged. thats all i did.

regards
logan

Jess wrote:
dukelogan wrote:because it is a part of the sca. the sca is a society people choose to join, as such they should show it enough respect to confirm to the basics like using documented names and heraldry. we really should not feel comfortable picking and choosing which parts of the sca we find convienent to us and then ignoring the rest.

regards
logan

But your Grace, your statement assumes the name is NOT accurate and documentable, doesn't it?

I went to a lot of effort finding appropriate heraldy by reviewing rolls. I then met with my local herald and then the herald's pinte at Pennsic. There was no conflict. I made submission. It was lost. I refiled the next Pennsic when I was again assured there was no conflict. It was again lost. It became a "lost sheep". Several years later, it was found and I recently learned that it is now considered to be too similar to something that has since been registered. You may characterize it as disrespectful. Maybe it is. But I sure as hell am not changing it or wasting another second in a herald's tent. It's possible someone could come along and paint a very similar device to mine and display it. If it is a combatant who does so, that might present lots of opportunities for good natured fun.

But what about the possibility someone could adopt the name or device of our dead? I think that's like name uniqueness and is not something that has to be legislated by the rules when social pressure sorts these things out satisfactorily.

BTW, isn't your name registered as Logan Blackwoulfe?

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:43 pm

Nissan Maxima wrote:Great name Dig. I can call you Dig, right? And I would not piss on the college of heralds if they were on fire.

What if you'd been drinking gasoline?

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:44 pm

Diglach mac Cein.....

Or Dig'M for short?

Hrolfr · Post by **Hrolfr** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:24 am

Diglach mac Cein wrote:Well, it's pronounced Djee-lakh...

But hey, as long as "Hey Diglach/Dig!" isn't immediately followed by BAM "Made you look!" I'm OK with it.

Nissan Maxima wrote:Great name Dig. I can call you Dig, right? And I would not piss on the college of heralds if they were on fire.