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Teaing fabric?

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I'm on a roll here, so you may see a lot from me in this forum during the next few weeks and I feel it only fitting to apologize beforehand. :wink:

Teaing fabric.

I was talking with a seamstress friend a few weeks back and was explaining that I wanted a slight weathering to some of my garb. Somrthing to make it look as if it was aged without actually aging the fabric prematurely.
She mentioned teaing.
It was incredibly hard but I was able to restrain jokes.

Can you tell me more about it?
How well does the "teaing" last, ala does it wash out eventually?
How dark can you take something?
Someone told me they even used coffee for this process but the aroma stayed for a very long time.
What would it do to a darker color? Simply muddle it?
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Hang on, you want to age clothes that are brand new and would have been new to you in your chosen period. Surely you'd keep them spotless for as long as possible??
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Why pay good money for new kit to simply make it look shabby?

You can have 'weathered' clothes without staining them, that is simply dirt. Clothes get weathered through:

fading
wear
stretch
breakdown of fabric by the dyes in them, the sun

Which member of a high rank will want to look dirty? Surely it is a tv-ism that in the old days people went around with mucky clothes?

One of the most distinctive features of the well to do is that they did their best to keep as sharp as possible, if not totally up to fashion, certainly clean and tidy.

Tea would simply dull down colours, something that would be avoided in reality as colourful dyed cloth was expensive and staining a linen shirt would mean you were a slob, for the latter only wash the linen in soap flakes, as this does not contain optical whiteners.

A possibly suggestion to the real question which is how can you have a set of clothes that don't look like they have been bought all at the same time:

Buy some well made second hand clothes that have already been worn, by well made I mean good cut and cloth. You can have them refitted (regrated) this was a genuine way of making items of clothing last longer, plus the recutting or tidying up leaves certain features.

For some of your basic items, eg doublets, simply wear them a lot in your spare time, use them for gardening, or other activities, this means they get pulled and subject to the sweat that you produce. You would then need to brush them and they would in a reasonable time accumulate a proper finish, ie used rather than abused.

You end up with a realistic mix of new and unworn and old and practical but gently worn.
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Fake wear usually looks "off". Best way to get the worn look is to *wear it*! Wear it around the house, cook in it, mow the lawn in it, wash it and hang it on the clothesline to dry! Soon it will get a lived in look.

earnest; why do you assume everyone is "well to do"? Lots of "poor knights" documented in period times and lots of poor conditions on campaign too! If you look "too good" you may be portraying beyond your station!

Not to forget those of us who have lower class personnas---my wife forbids me to wear my "guildhall suit" to forge in at events; or at home for that matter, (When I was Laureled I decided I had to have something suitable to wear to a feast at the Guildhall).

It's funny that my apprentices tend to be wearing hand me down tunics with forge welding holes and enough wear that they look "right" around the forge; now if I could only convince them to go barefoot or get nicely worn out medieval shoes....


I know an ACW LH group that after you assemble your kit (and they are stitch counters, weave inspectors, etc) they take you fully arrayed and roll you through a mud puddle as no one in that situation would have a complete unworn clean kit!

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My wife makes "primitive" looking rag dolls for fun and she tea stains and then bakes in the tea stain on muslin all the time. We have washed the dolls and the clothes a few times to see how they would hold up and the color from the stain did not fade but again it was only 3 or 4 washings total.

we have tried coffee staining as well but it did not seem to penetrate the fabric as much either.

Not sure how well it would work for clothing..my suggestion is put it on.. then go roll in the mud. Let it sit for couple of days in a nice warm dry place. Then put them back on and go roll in the mud some more.. let them dry and then wash. This way you can get the grass stains and everything else if the hard labor look is what you want.
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I guess I didn't really convey what I was going for here.
Of course I don't want to look dirty. That's just silly. Why I asked was because I have a group of friends that wanted to do a landsknecht group and, to me, seeing a shiny, happy mercenary seems to be a little odd. I'd expect the clothing to be aged a bit. I'm not saying that they didn't have finery, I'm sure that they did, but that's not the portrayel I was looking to do.

I also asked because I wanted to darken a coif and wondered if this would be simpler than dyeing it.
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Lucian Ro wrote:I guess I didn't really convey what I was going for here.
Of course I don't want to look dirty. That's just silly. Why I asked was because I have a group of friends that wanted to do a landsknecht group and, to me, seeing a shiny, happy mercenary seems to be a little odd. I'd expect the clothing to be aged a bit. I'm not saying that they didn't have finery, I'm sure that they did, but that's not the portrayel I was looking to do.

I also asked because I wanted to darken a coif and wondered if this would be simpler than dyeing it.


If you hang it in the sun for just a week, you'll get age and fade to it.
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Troggie wrote: *snip*
we have tried coffee staining as well but it did not seem to penetrate the fabric as much either.

*snip*


Coffee-dyed fabric also tends to release aroma when it get warm and any kind of damp (sweat, etc.), even after several wash/dry cycles. Ask me how I know. :roll:

Years ago I tea dyed a 5yd + batch of light cotten fabric for my ex, the orginal was just too bright for the look he was going for. Turned out really well, with no tea scent occurring afterwards.
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Maeryk wrote:If you hang it in the sun for just a week, you'll get age and fade to it.


Perfect, I should have thought of this.
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"earnest; why do you assume everyone is "well to do"? Lots of "poor knights" documented in period times and lots of poor conditions on campaign too! If you look "too good" you may be portraying beyond your station! "

Yep, does poor knight mean scruffily attired or simply not hugely landed? Poor does not mean looking like a bum, but not being rich.

So, not an assumption in that way a counter assumption if you will, but even poor knights are above commons in status and have expectations, or in other words why assume that poor knight meant a sack of rags. But you will note that I allowed for old clothes in the mix, the regrated items, very proper and period and would, to the so inclined produce much kudos for going the extra mile. I declare an interest here, as I have my eyes on a colleague's coat, his is black and made of a good cloth, but has seen better days. His role is of a clerk, well paid and regularly liveried, so he gets a change of clothing when they are not at their best, as his assistant I am hoping that I get his old one, recut it, re-sew the weak seams, re-button it and I end up with a much nicer coat than my role might have afforded in the first instance - hence me being somewhat in favour of this approach ;-)

Being campaign worn is not the same as normally attired, so, even poor knights might have a change of clothing, the context is important here.

Evidently the OP wants a campaign look, in which case the best way would be to wear it all in all conditions for a bit. He will find where the stresses are and how they affect the points, the gussets in the undercarriage, which bits wear most when in contact, which do not, how it dries if wet by rain, how the knees look after mud has been brushed out, where the nap wears, etc.

My only caution with hanging clothes out in the sun is twofold:

sun bleaching will happen in different parts of the cloth than when worn

modern dyes are very sun resistant and may need more sunlight than period dyes.

Depends on how realistically the OP wants it.

The following pics show some work wear on woolen doublets, the spattering is the usual kitchen muck, dirty water, fat and grease. That kind of filth does not take long to acquire when in the kitchens. It is recorded that people complained at the state of many of the kitchen staff for looking so scruffy and unkempt. We only do 20+ days a year, so we can imagine how quickly an item gets dirty/worn in the proper environment.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/61677792@N00/4076300832/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/61677792@N ... 076300940/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/61677792@N00/3288573845/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/61677792@N00/3273202068/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/61677792@N ... 076300940/

Might help in terms of what looks can be achieved.
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To reenforce what Earnest is saying -

Most poor knights in a Late Medieval context are poor in the context of being a lowly person barely in the millionairs club, in contrast to Donald Trump, or at the top of the Spectrum, Bill Gates.

They are poor in context to other nobility, but wealthy compared to 80% of the commons.
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