Has anyone ever seen this rule enforced?

Conrad the Mad · Post by **Conrad the Mad** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 4:04 pm

From the midrealm marshalls handbook:

Blows repeatedly blocked by a weapon in contact with a fighterâ€™s helm, body or shield at the
moment of impact may at the Crownâ€™s or Marshallateâ€™s discretion, be considered to have broken
the blocking weapon. This will force a fighter to forfeit the fight, unless a secondary weapon is
carried or the opponent chooses to allow the fighter to rearm with another weapon.

Being a Marshall in training I keep rereading the handbook.
I was wondering if any marshalls actually ever inforce this rule.

I fight with an axe on occasion and If I bang the hell out of the other guys shield three times it should be condsidered broken.
Would it be unacceptable to ask the marshall for a ruling? Its not that I want to win unfairly but if you are going to use a mass weapon the rule should be enforced.

any thoughts?

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Robert Clark Carruth · Tue Nov 13, 2001 4:24 pm

The rule only allows a weapon to be called broken, not a shield. This is because people have a tendency to rest their weapons on their armor, particularly the sword on the helmet which wouild definitely allow a real sword to be broken.

Robert

losthelm · Post by **losthelm** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 5:11 pm

I have sceen this rule inforced at crown turney. I hae also sceen this inforced by Master John the Pell all the time.

other then that it depends on the marshall and whats going on.

muttman · Post by **muttman** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 5:25 pm

The Pell is the only one I`ve ever seen enforce it too.
John

Krieger · Post by **Krieger** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 10:12 pm

I have seen this enforced at crown tournaments. I've heard it refered to as "anvilling"

I haven't heard the rule with broken shields by mass weapons. It may varry by kingdom

Vermin · Post by **Vermin** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 9:49 am

That's because John doesn't CARE if you think he's an asshole....(grin)

Or if you're wearing regalia....(BIGGER grin)

I miss Aethelmarc.

VvS

muttman · Post by **muttman** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 10:09 am

"I miss Aethelmarc."
So do I

Captain Jamie · Post by **Captain Jamie** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 10:28 am

Conrad- In the Middle shields are forever. (I love my shield. My shield loves me.) There is no stipulation that any amount of blows will destroy your opponents shield. I suggest a long bitted axe and a good deal of practice hitting the left shoulder. Or any shoulder for that matter, as a mass weapon stiking inside the joint is a kill. Remember to enforce that with your opponent as they sometimes forget.

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Anton · Post by **Anton** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 10:32 am

If shields get to be broken by axes, then I would say if I hit your hand on the haft three times with my sword, or if you block with your haft three times, then it's considered broken... ) No fair to have a spear made out of indestructible wood if we're going for 'realism'...

Pole vs. Pole, one haft block would be sufficent...

Or we could just have fun...

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Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 12:33 pm

Anton, I think you have the gist of it in that last statement.

Bartel fitz Neel · Post by **Bartel fitz Neel** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 1:00 pm

I used to see this enforced in the West, I left there in 86, but never here in the Muddle. We called it the Iron Chicken Defense in me old shire.

Diglach Mac Cein · Post by **Diglach Mac Cein** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 1:13 pm

I live in the Midrealm, and honestly I can't remember the last time I saw someone defend by resting their weapon on their helm or shield -

But we do train our new fighters that if they do it, their weapons can be called "broken" by the Marshalls if struck.

horsefriend · Post by **horsefriend** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 1:41 pm

Anviling is still enforced in the West.

Alail/Scott

Rev. George · Post by **Rev. George** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 2:52 pm

Crackpot idea du jour:

If your weapon is broken via "anvilling", can you still thrust it into your opponents face?

-+G

knoch · Post by **knoch** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 6:02 pm

Yes here in the west Anviling is still enforced. Also remeber if you are using A spear as a defence device and rest the but of the spear on the ground, and your oponiant hits it. it is broken after the third hit. The thing I dont know if it goes the same for a baner pole though.

Conrad the Mad · Post by **Conrad the Mad** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 7:27 pm

It's funny how you can read a rule and think it says one thing and it doesnt. I keep thinking shields, i read that rule three times and untill you pointed it out i was still thinking shields.

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