Caid's combat standards

Vincent_c=={=====- · Post by **Vincent_c=={=====-** » Sun Apr 28, 2002 1:58 pm

My best freind was transfered to 29 palms and he needs to find the regulations for Caid's heavy combat. I looked around for a while but couldn't find the actual standards. Can anybody help me out?

Xanthier · Post by **Xanthier** » Sun Apr 28, 2002 3:01 pm

I'm in Caid.. what do you need to know?

Derian le Breton · Post by **Derian le Breton** » Sun Apr 28, 2002 4:02 pm

Caid's marshal page:

http://www.sca-caid.org/marshal/index.html

Publications page:

http://www.sca-caid.org/marshal/pubs.html

The publications page includes combatant handbooks, though the heavy weapons one is 7 years old...

All of this was found from the Kingdom of Caid's website, which was found from http://www.sca.org

(EDIT)I spoke too soon, it appears that volume one, the actual heavy weapons handbook, is not online for some reason. How bizarre. (/EDIT)

-Donasian.

[This message has been edited by Donasian (edited 04-28-2002).]

FrauHirsch · Post by **FrauHirsch** » Sun Apr 28, 2002 10:49 pm

I'm in Caid. Your friend may want to email the Earl Marshal from the Caidan Web site and ask where he might get a copy of the handbook. I think there are only hardcopies available though.

Is he already authorized somewhere else? Does he already have armor? If so, what pieces? Some things are standard - Standard SCA legal helm, elbow and knees covered with rigid material (and sides of elbows and knees), kidney protection, cup, Gorget, minimum of heavy leather over cervical and 1st thoracic vertebra. The one difference from standard SCA minimums may be the requirement of rigid material along the sides and back of the forearm. Of course, I would HIGHLY recommend more armor than the minimums. Padding and at least semi-rigid material over the point of the shoulder, over the torso and thighs I feel is pretty important unless your friend is really beefy and has a high pain tolerance.

Low profile thrusting tips are not yet approved in Caid. Other than that I'd recommend finding a fighting practice, though he may have to make a drive to find one.

To be authorized in Caid, he will take an open book test as well as prove to the authorizing marshal that he can defend, attack and exchange blows safely.

We are probably 2 hrs away from 29 Palms. If he gets desperate, feel free to send him our email savaskan@znet.com.

Juliana

Munz · Post by **Munz** » Mon Apr 29, 2002 1:54 pm

Even though the low profile tips aren't approved yet, they will be acting as if they are. This means the Earl Marshall is getting very strict with the amount of gap between helm and gorget. Beware, the one inch maximum gap will be well enforced. I guess those of us with camails need not worry.

Xanthier · Post by **Xanthier** » Mon Apr 29, 2002 7:09 pm

I was actually told the low profile tips are being allowed starting at Potrero war next month. At least I believe so. Have to check my e-mail at work tomorrow.

But yes.. Make sure you're neck is well covered.

Dmitriy · Post by **Dmitriy** » Mon Apr 29, 2002 8:58 pm

I've been sort of wondering about the forearm protection rule -- does it apply if you have a shield?

-Dmitriy

Munz · Post by **Munz** » Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:33 pm

In Caid you must have rigid fore arm protection. I would say that even if you have a shield strapped on, the new marshallate will make you wear a vambrace in case your shield is tabled or opened and your arm is exposed. I have seen them comment that shield baskets needed more protection for peoples hands and wrists for the same reason.

Now, there is a rule that if you are a member of another kingdom that your kingdom's rules apply to you in Caid. This is true. If you are visiting some of these issues will not be enforced. But a fellow who is from Atenvelt and has been here for a while was instructed to put on a vambrace to avoid an injury. The Earl Marshall felt that his arm was in danger of being severely hurt, so he stepped in and used his discretion.

FrauHirsch · Post by **FrauHirsch** » Tue Apr 30, 2002 12:31 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Munz:
In Caid you must have rigid fore arm protection. I would say that even if you have a shield strapped on.</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is true. Because no one wants to stop the lists to change arm armor if you get armed. We had a number of broken forarms awhile ago, this was the solution.

Even if you have a camail, if one has a bar grill, one must check it. But many people fail around the neck, so it is wise to have an avantail or camail. Sometimes bar grills get bent out of whack. These will be checked. Potrero is the first event where people will get pulled for helms that don't pass, but Sir Malachi did not say they would be allowing low profiles yet at that event.

At the Summergate Anniversary, I will be running a William the Marshal style tournament and we will be bringing dowels to check helms so people can be warned and have time to fix them before Potrero.

Juliana