Answering the challenge (MMA students)

Symon VanMoordrecht · Post by **Symon VanMoordrecht** » Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:24 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by chef de chambre:
That said, the restrictions of the Society are a bit, well, restrictive. It would probably be easier to arrange a special event, rather than try to wrangle one at an event that is not designed for such things.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll agree that the standard SCA rules don't allow for the practice of "historic technique". But last year the historic combat series was great. It used a more historic rules set and explored more period combat within the bounds of the SCA. Exceptions to the rules can be made. My question is, What would it take for YOU, the pratictioner of Medieval Martial Arts (Not necessarily Bob.) to attend such a gathering if it was held at Pennsic?? what rules would have to change to make YOU want to attend? Full body targeting? Counted blows? Grappling? I donâ€™t want this to devolve into a discussion of rattan vs. steel vs. wasters. The actual tools have little to do with the practice of the art. Is rattan THAT big of a problem that you? As stated, a lot of people from the MMA community are going to be there. Why waste the opportunity?

On a short side note, Bob, I didnâ€™t mean to single you out here. I understand that you have a real-life situation that would prevent you from taking a vacation in August, regardless of where. I just used your post as an example. Financial pressure kept me from making the trip up to crown, And now I am kicking myself, I would have genuinely enjoyed meeting you.

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-Scott Thomas
Symon Fitz Gilbert, Squire to Sir Mitchell MacBain

Androu · Post by **Androu** » Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:47 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Symon Fitz Gilbert:
 The actual tools have little to do with the practice of the art.

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I strongly disagree with this statement. The "tools" have a great deal to do with the practice of the art. Several times when trying to perform a particular technique with wasters and just not "getting it" My partner and I have switched to good steel replicas and been amazed at how it all fell into place. I now work a lot more with steel blunts, using wasters only rarely. It really does make a big difference.

Matt Anderson
ARMA Scholar

Magmaforge · Post by **Magmaforge** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 2:33 am

I would like full body targetting, grappling, disarms, throws, counted blows.... except that I do not know the level of control of anyone I'm fighting against in this scenario. WMA grappling can be LETHAL very quickly if someone's used the technique a few times and then tries it out full speed against a resistant target.
It was my understanding that rattan can be shaped/carved to be more accurate in shape and balance. If so, I might find them not too difficult to use. Only used two SCA havey rattan swords before. A cylindrical stick with a baskethilt will not do for me. In that case, rattan is a big deal for me. If that was all that was onhand, I'd be doing Kali or shortstaff without thinking about it. I really would like to attend this.

-Mag

Symon VanMoordrecht · Post by **Symon VanMoordrecht** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 2:10 pm

My intention in starting this thread is not to get involved in a debate as to whether rattan mimics steel effectively. If you have another materiel, which will allow full speed-hard contact combat without risking injuring the participants I would LOVE to hear about it. Rattan might not behave like real steel, but in my opinion is the best of all available options.

I want to see good Sir Vitusâ€™s challenge become a reality. I think there are a few stumbling blocks (real or imagined) that the MMA community may have before they agree to come out. Rather than clog up his thread with the howâ€™s and whyâ€™s I opened this thread.

The question remains this. What is it going to take to get you to WANT to come out and fight??? What kinds of rules (Or lack thereof) would need to be in place? What are your concerns?

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-Scott Thomas
Symon Fitz Gilbert, Squire to Sir Mitchell MacBain

Christoffer · Post by **Christoffer** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:28 am

I would love to Sir Vitus challenge become a reality, unfortunatly I remember his statements about know it all wannabees and "I can't show you it would break you" boys that come to his practice, or that have, in the past come to his practice.

Remembering what Vitus has typed in the past,I am crushed by his statements. He used to claim one thing but his currents statements put him at odds with his former statements.

Good Sir Vitus I have asked you to call me in the past and I shall reiterate that desire now. 850-243-2948. Please call me,because I want to understand how a man who I respected and wanted to emulate became a man who in my opinion has dibs on the asshole ball.

[This message has been edited by Christoffer (edited 10-30-2002).]

Brutus · Post by **Brutus** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:08 pm

Hello all,

I'd just like to add my 2 cents to any of the WMA students that are "on the fence", or have reservations about coming to Pennsic.

I am an "average SCA guy", with an interest in the documented historical techniques, but whose efforts to pursue them have been swallowed by lack of time/apathy and 1,000 excuses.

I think an event like the one proposed would have much to offer anyone that took part.

For me personally, I'd like to glean as much as I could from people that have taken the time to study the manuals, as well as see some of the techniques demonstrated.

I have to imagine that there must be some value for WMA students in having the chance to use the -learned techniques- full speed, and at a significant power level against someone else other than their normal sparring partners.

I understand that it's not a "perfect simulation", but I don't believe it would be without value.

I guess my point is that: Approached with a positive attitude (from all participants), your attendance could add a lot to what looks to be an excellent event. I hope you all make it.

Brutus

Vitus von Atzinger · Post by **Vitus von Atzinger** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:42 pm

My lord Christoffer, would you please contact me privately and explain exactly what the hell you are talking about here? I am a very busy man, and I must have missed something.

Vitus@aye.net