Fighting videos please

Ewan · Post by **Ewan** » Tue May 27, 2003 2:24 pm

Hi all,

Well, it must be time for the regularly scheduled request for fighting videos. Some acquaintances are asking me for links to movies they can download to get some kind of idea what I do for fun.

I have most of the movies from legio draconis and few others.
There was a video of An-Tir West war posted some time ago but I've changed laptops since and don't have the link.

Any and all help would be appreciated.

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Ewan of Loch Fynne
Hearthman to Sir Gunther Rorikson.
"In this vocation one should therefore set one's heart and mind on winning honor, which endures forever" - Geoffroi de Charny

Mikael · Post by **Mikael** » Wed May 28, 2003 6:12 am

Hello

There are some in the picture gallery behind the link videos.
at the url:
http://www.unikankare.ontheweb.com/

Take pretty long time to load though

Mikael

sarnac · Post by **sarnac** » Wed May 28, 2003 9:19 am

my squire brother put some fight practice video to a "Ministry" song.

Would you like that?

Ewan · Post by **Ewan** » Wed May 28, 2003 9:31 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by sarnac:
my squire brother put some fight practice video to a "Ministry" song.

Would you like that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be great, Sarnac. How can I get a copy?

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Ewan of Loch Fynne
Hearthman to Sir Gunther Rorikson.
"In this vocation one should therefore set one's heart and mind on winning honor, which endures forever" - Geoffroi de Charny

Ewan · Post by **Ewan** » Wed May 28, 2003 9:32 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mikael:
Hello

There are some in the picture gallery behind the link videos.
at the url:
http://www.unikankare.ontheweb.com/

Take pretty long time to load though

Mikael<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank-you Mikael!

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Ewan of Loch Fynne
Hearthman to Sir Gunther Rorikson.
"In this vocation one should therefore set one's heart and mind on winning honor, which endures forever" - Geoffroi de Charny

RQM · Post by **RQM** » Wed May 28, 2003 9:59 am

Much thanks to you, Mikael! Now when people ask what I do for fun, I can really show them.

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Christopher de Lorraine, Barony of Tir Ysgithr, Atenveldt,
MKA Chris Chauvet

ColinG · Post by **ColinG** » Wed May 28, 2003 10:48 am

This was a crown tournament I taped half a year ago. I still need to put the rest to DVD but this is what I did as a teaser.

RealPlayer - http://staiden.atlantia.sca.org/images/atl_video.rm

Tarquin Bjornsson · Post by **Tarquin Bjornsson** » Wed May 28, 2003 10:49 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by sarnac:
my squire brother put some fight practice video to a "Ministry" song.

Would you like that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i saw this video it is amazing iago sped it up to he did a great job

Ewan · Post by **Ewan** » Wed May 28, 2003 12:15 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ColinG:
This was a crown tournament I taped half a year ago. I still need to put the rest to DVD but this is what I did as a teaser.

RealPlayer - http://staiden.atlantia.sca.org/images/atl_video.rm

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fantastic! Thanks!

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Ewan of Loch Fynne
Hearthman to Sir Gunther Rorikson.
"In this vocation one should therefore set one's heart and mind on winning honor, which endures forever" - Geoffroi de Charny

averril · Post by **averril** » Wed May 28, 2003 2:55 pm

here are some that I pulled off of this list awhile ago.

http://www.midrealm.org/kith/kith/

sarnac · Post by **sarnac** » Wed May 28, 2003 4:50 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ewan:
 That would be great, Sarnac. How can I get a copy?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its a hefty file.....Its 14 meg....if you have cable or DSL I could email it to you....

Or I could post it onmy archive space and you could download it.

you pick.

Armourkris · Post by **Armourkris** » Wed May 28, 2003 5:21 pm

I vote you stick it on your archive space, that way we can all grab it

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What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee:

Ewan · Post by **Ewan** » Wed May 28, 2003 5:37 pm

Email would be fine at the following address:

tony. dryair @ sasktel. net

Remove spaces. Thanks!

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Ewan of Loch Fynne
Hearthman to Sir Gunther Rorikson.
"In this vocation one should therefore set one's heart and mind on winning honor, which endures forever" - Geoffroi de Charny

sarnac · Post by **sarnac** » Wed May 28, 2003 6:03 pm

ok...

its a fight practice video so I apologize ahead of time for the not so spiffness of some of the folks in the video...all are 2 or 3 second clips put to Ministry.

by the way.....Ewan....there may be soemone in there you may recognize....

***cough*** gan ***cough***

http://home.armourarchive.org/members/sarnac/SCAFightPractice.mpg

if you have any problems I will email it.

Ewan · Post by **Ewan** » Wed May 28, 2003 9:25 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by sarnac:
ok...

its a fight practice video so I apologize ahead of time for the not so spiffness of some of the folks in the video...all are 2 or 3 second clips put to Ministry.

by the way.....Ewan....there may be soemone in there you may recognize....

***cough*** gan ***cough***

http://home.armourarchive.org/members/sarnac/SCAFightPractice.mpg

if you have any problems I will email it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sarnac,
You just made my day. There is more than just Gann in this video. I'm in there too!
One of the four practices I've attended in Ealdormere and you have it on tape (only like 3 seconds total...but whos counting

).
I'm the guy with the green shield that has a badger on it. I'm fighting Gann both times I'm on the video and, as usual in my old style, I'm backing up most of time.

Very, Very cool!

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Ewan of Loch Fynne
Hearthman to Sir Gunther Rorikson.
"In this vocation one should therefore set one's heart and mind on winning honor, which endures forever" - Geoffroi de Charny

Tarquin Bjornsson · Post by **Tarquin Bjornsson** » Wed May 28, 2003 9:31 pm

i'm always at ben dunforth practice but i can't seem to recal you when were you last out?

Ewan · Post by **Ewan** » Thu May 29, 2003 9:09 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tarquin Bjornsson:
i'm always at ben dunforth practice but i can't seem to recal you when were you last out?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lets see when was I last out? Easter Monday (there was no practice in Hamilton that week)
I did go to Wednesday practice at the university (Bubba's/Worgan's). Unfortunatly I only fought for a few minutes. I had been to the Detroit practice the night before and my arm couldn't take the back to back practices.

Describe your kit to me so I have a frame of reference for who you are.

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Ewan of Loch Fynne
Hearthman to Sir Gunther Rorikson.
"In this vocation one should therefore set one's heart and mind on winning honor, which endures forever" - Geoffroi de Charny

dukelogan · Post by **dukelogan** » Thu May 29, 2003 9:29 am

great tunes for a fighting montage! and well done, smooth clips good transfer. not a study piece but that wasnt its point. if you have any more shoot them my way (i can handle a pretty fat transfer rate, or ftp them somewhere so i can download them.

i do have a question for you. is the throw a shot or two then go into a thrusty frenzy common for you guys? i ask only because ive not run into it from you guys at pennsic and i always find it a very disappointing way of fighting as it usually is a clear sign of a lack of skill.

please dont misunderstand what im saying. what i see often are guys (from all kingdoms) that go into a fight, throw one or two sloppy blows, then wing their arms over their heads and hide behind their shields while doing the "folly thrust" in the hope that they can touch the other fighters grille. i specifically do not allow my students to use thrusting tips so that i can prevent that very ineffective way of fighting. i think they are better fighters for it. i hate when its attempted on me (i do see fighting as a true test of courage and prowess) as its a cheap and easy way to kill someone when you lack the skill to do it with the edge of your weapon. i usually blast their arm to remind them to keep it covered, but im evil anyway! >8^)

there are techniques that ive used and that ive seen in which a single handed thrust is an effective technique but that is the exception and certainly not the rule. sarnac, what are your thoughts?

fun video to watch though, especially with the subs turned up on my new gaming box.

regards
logan

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by sarnac:
ok...

its a fight practice video so I apologize ahead of time for the not so spiffness of some of the folks in the video...all are 2 or 3 second clips put to Ministry.

by the way.....Ewan....there may be soemone in there you may recognize....

***cough*** gan ***cough***

http://home.armourarchive.org/members/sarnac/SCAFightPractice.mpg

if you have any problems I will email it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Thu May 29, 2003 10:43 am

Here's one of me. I'm the one in the blue/yellow who dies.

http://home.armourarchive.org/members/morgan/warlord/morgan.MPG

sarnac · Post by **sarnac** » Thu May 29, 2003 11:00 am

Logan...

I would say that this is not a good example of the style of fighting in our kingdom.

We tend to be very mobile fighters...that is very evident in this...but even though there is alot of it in the video...we dont rely on thrusting very often.

Duke Roak....in the black lorica...does do more thrusting than most in our Kingdom though...

Frankly......I fight alot differently than anyone else in my Kingdom because I train with Earl Sir Brannos and Duke Ragnvldr and the guys in Detroit...so my style tends to be more like that with some Eastern influence from Sir Tanaka who was my first teacher.... so I am a bad judge.

I prefer "death by efficency" myself.

Excess movement is wasted energy.

Like I said...I would love to come train with you sometime...Val says you are an amazing fighter and a great teacher.

Ewan · Post by **Ewan** » Thu May 29, 2003 11:37 am

Sarnac,

What is the name of that Ministry tune? I'm not familiar with the group but I like the sound on the movie clip.

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Ewan of Loch Fynne
Hearthman to Sir Gunther Rorikson.
"In this vocation one should therefore set one's heart and mind on winning honor, which endures forever" - Geoffroi de Charny

Lucian Ro · Post by **Lucian Ro** » Thu May 29, 2003 11:54 am

Two words, dear Sarnac:

Thank you

That was the coolest montage I've seen in ages. Well done!

Might you send it to me via e-mail? I have DSL. zenxistence@aol.com

Bravo.

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In Honor and Service,
Lucien Ro / Scotty

"Except for feats of arms and love, nothing occurs in the courtly world." -Eric Auerbach, Mimesis

sarnac · Post by **sarnac** » Thu May 29, 2003 12:15 pm

The Ministry song was "Jesus Built my HotRod"

Lucien...sure....will send it asap...

\\whoops....

exceeded my servers limit....
do you have someplace I could FTP to and upload it or can you save it right off my webspace?

[This message has been edited by sarnac (edited 05-29-2003).]

Tarquin Bjornsson · Post by **Tarquin Bjornsson** » Thu May 29, 2003 12:23 pm

ewan i fight a lot of two stick and wear the stainless lamellar but when i fight sword and shield i use and aluminum heter with the marine heraldry on it

[This message has been edited by Tarquin Bjornsson (edited 05-29-2003).]

Ewan · Post by **Ewan** » Thu May 29, 2003 12:32 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tarquin Bjornsson:
ewan i fight a lot of two stick and wear the stainless lamellar but when i fight sword and shield i use and aluminum heter with the marine heraldry on it

Heck i see what you ae saying logan i just find it easier/ safer for me to keep my distance and snipe with my tips

[This message has been edited by Tarquin Bjornsson (edited 05-29-2003).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmmmmm I can't place you. Too many two stickers at these practices for me to keep track.

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Ewan of Loch Fynne
Hearthman to Sir Gunther Rorikson.
"In this vocation one should therefore set one's heart and mind on winning honor, which endures forever" - Geoffroi de Charny

Dmitriy · Post by **Dmitriy** » Thu May 29, 2003 1:20 pm

Sarnac -- the shorter guy with a center-grip round shield looks awfully An Tiran. Am I right?

-D

Ewan · Post by **Ewan** » Thu May 29, 2003 1:23 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dmitriy:
Sarnac -- the shorter guy with a center-grip round shield looks awfully An Tiran. Am I right?

-D<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep! He's from my home Barony of Myrganwood in Avacal, An-tir. Very good fighter and good guy. He'll be recognized as a Knight someday. Phaelin Gann is his name.

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Ewan of Loch Fynne
Hearthman to Sir Gunther Rorikson.
"In this vocation one should therefore set one's heart and mind on winning honor, which endures forever" - Geoffroi de Charny

Hedinn · Post by **Hedinn** » Thu May 29, 2003 1:42 pm

Not sure who's site this is, but it has some good movies. They are nice and short, easy to download.
I personally like number 7 in the Hadrian's wall from last years Pennsic. The fighters in blue are from my household, Arx Ventus.

http://www.jubilex.com/ramparts/main.html

Jean Paul de Sens · Post by **Jean Paul de Sens** » Thu May 29, 2003 4:12 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by dukelogan:
 -- snippage --
i do have a question for you. is the throw a shot or two then go into a thrusty frenzy common for you guys? i ask only because ive not run into it from you guys at pennsic and i always find it a very disappointing way of fighting as it usually is a clear sign of a lack of skill.

please dont misunderstand what im saying. what i see often are guys (from all kingdoms) that go into a fight, throw one or two sloppy blows, then wing their arms over their heads and hide behind their shields while doing the "folly thrust" in the hope that they can touch the other fighters grille. i specifically do not allow my students to use thrusting tips so that i can prevent that very ineffective way of fighting. i think they are better fighters for it. i hate when its attempted on me (i do see fighting as a true test of courage and prowess) as its a cheap and easy way to kill someone when you lack the skill to do it with the edge of your weapon. i usually blast their arm to remind them to keep it covered, but im evil anyway! >8^)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll point out that being able to thrust effectively without getting your arm blasted by people like you takes very effective technique.

In my area, I'm probalby one of the heaviest thrusters around, yet last night at fighter practice I still killed around 90% of my fights with the edge. I see the thrust as just another shot to be thrown in a combo, no more or less effective in its own way than a flat snap or leg shot.

I'm not certain I understand the "the thrust is easier" or the "the thrust is cowardly" mentality. It takes timing, accuracy, and deception to carry it of efficiently and safely. How is that different than any other shot.

I know a lot of people who aren't used to it get gacked by it a lot, but from what my experience has shown me, it takes exactly one practice for someone to remember how to counter and avoid it.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
there are techniques that ive used and that ive seen in which a single handed thrust is an effective technique but that is the exception and certainly not the rule. sarnac, what are your thoughts?

fun video to watch though, especially with the subs turned up on my new gaming box.

regards
logan
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[This message has been edited by Jean Paul de Sens (edited 05-29-2003).]

jester · Post by **jester** » Thu May 29, 2003 4:19 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Hedinn:
Not sure who's site this is, but it has some good movies. They are nice and short, easy to download.
I personally like number 7 in the Hadrian's wall from last years Pennsic. The fighters in blue are from my household, Arx Ventus.

http://www.jubilex.com/ramparts/main.html<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be the Kinderfodder webpage (The Savage Ramparts) featuring video footage of
various bog-troopers (Prechain, Anglesey, Concusare, Kinderfodder)

Lothar the Wanderer · Post by **Lothar the Wanderer** » Thu May 29, 2003 6:45 pm

Sarnac,
Good clip, good cut work on the video... What would be really cool is to share more video tape.. I will be showing this one to Feral next time he is over.. I might have to do it with the audio off.. He's an old blues kindof guy.. nah, he needs the jump start

Lothar

dukelogan · Post by **dukelogan** » Thu May 29, 2003 10:16 pm

jean paul,

you said it yourself: "It takes timing, accuracy, and deception to carry it of efficiently and safely".

any idiot can touch your grille with a thrusting tip. that is what i refer to as the "folly thrust". this closing with someone and holding your arm over your head and stabbing at the other guys face. its a cheap, no skill, attempt at an easy win.

however, not all can throw a blow with decent force (decent even by our low sca standards) and place that shot against an opponent. that is the difference.

to throw a deceptive thrust that lands with telling force to the body is another thing. that takes skill on most occasions (discounting the phallic thrust stupidity and other so called "trick" shots). dont get me wrong, as an ex boxer i can throw some pretty fast thrusts and hit at some pretty weird angles. those are not the thrusts i was referring to. its the cheap ones.

hope that clears up my point as i dont think you are talking about your thrusting the same way i was about the "folly thrust".

regards
logan

ps not seeing your entire message in my reply so i hope it posts. if not, i am replying to jean pauls post directed to me. 8^)

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jean Paul de Sens:


[This message has been edited by Jean Paul de Sens (edited 05-29-2003).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jean Paul de Sens · Post by **Jean Paul de Sens** » Thu May 29, 2003 10:28 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by dukelogan:
jean paul,

you said it yourself: "It takes timing, accuracy, and deception to carry it of efficiently and safely".

any idiot can touch your grille with a thrusting tip. that is what i refer to as the "folly thrust". this closing with someone and holding your arm over your head and stabbing at the other guys face. its a cheap, no skill, attempt at an easy win.

however, not all can throw a blow with decent force (decent even by our low sca standards) and place that shot against an opponent. that is the difference.

to throw a deceptive thrust that lands with telling force to the body is another thing. that takes skill on most occasions (discounting the phallic thrust stupidity and other so called "trick" shots). dont get me wrong, as an ex boxer i can throw some pretty fast thrusts and hit at some pretty weird angles. those are not the thrusts i was referring to. its the cheap ones.

hope that clears up my point as i dont think you are talking about your thrusting the same way i was about the "folly thrust".

regards
logan

ps not seeing your entire message in my reply so i hope it posts. if not, i am replying to jean pauls post directed to me. 8^)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Duke Logan, that indeed clears it up.

sarnac · Post by **sarnac** » Thu May 29, 2003 11:14 pm

I am video taping the Darkyard Practice this weekend...with drills and I am also taping a lecture on excercises to increase the hand speed.

When they get online I will let you know.

dukelogan · Post by **dukelogan** » Thu May 29, 2003 11:37 pm

glad to hear that its not the norm.

were happy that valharic is here with us. even though he lives but a few short miles (like 3) from my house we dont get to see him often at wed night practice. that whole job thing and all.

im honored by his accounts of my fighting and my teaching although i think hes a bit too praising. ive just got some different ideas on this whole sport. and, it changes every next generation. so i think he gives me too much credit.

i would love to do some training with you anytime. fee free to plan a weekend here in charlotte or lets get together at pennsic for some.

regards
logan

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by sarnac:
Logan...

I would say that this is not a good example of the style of fighting in our kingdom.

We tend to be very mobile fighters...that is very evident in this...but even though there is alot of it in the video...we dont rely on thrusting very often.

Duke Roak....in the black lorica...does do more thrusting than most in our Kingdom though...

Frankly......I fight alot differently than anyone else in my Kingdom because I train with Earl Sir Brannos and Duke Ragnvldr and the guys in Detroit...so my style tends to be more like that with some Eastern influence from Sir Tanaka who was my first teacher.... so I am a bad judge.

I prefer "death by efficency" myself.

Excess movement is wasted energy.

Like I said...I would love to come train with you sometime...Val says you are an amazing fighter and a great teacher.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>