Close-up of Walter von Hohenklingen effigy?

[Eric Slyter]

Hello

I'm interested in seeing if the visor on von Hohenklingen's effigy is center pivot or side pivot. The best picture I've seen looks like its depicting hinges on the sides of his helmet, but I can't quite tell if they are vervelles instead.

Are there any other possible sources for side pivoting hounskull visors in German territories in the late 1300s?

Thanks!

[Josh W]

I would like to see a close-up of his greaves.

[Eamonn]

Eberhard von Rosenberg, 1387

http://effigiesandbrasses.com/monuments ... _roseberg/

He's the guy on the right, also wearing what looks like a segmented breastplate ala Churburg #13.

[Galfrid atte grene]

There are definitely bumps on the side of his helm, separate from the vervelle line and consistent in placement with side-mounted bascinet hinges, as seen on extant pieces as well as other sculpture. Besides Eberhard, the only other similar example I know is the monument of Heinrich Moltke, d. 1404.

[Eric Slyter]

Eamonn,

Slam dunk! Thanks.

Galfrid,

Yes, I looked at it again earlier today and noticed that the bumps are entirely distinct from where the vervelles are presumed to be. Solid evidence.

Josh,

Yes, me too. For some reason it is driving me nuts to not know for sure whether the buckles to the inside of the greave are attached to the front half of the greave or the back.

[Mac]

The greave buckles are attached to the fronts.

http://muckley.us/1386/walter_von_hohenklingen.jpg

Mac

[Eric Slyter]

I actually have a more clear picture in a book at home, and I still can't tell for sure. I will, however, take your word for it. Thanks!

[Mac]

Eric,

Don't just take me word for it. Take a few minutes with a piece of paper and a pencil and draw yourself a couple of diagrams. Draw what it would have to look like if the buckle were in on the front, and then again if it were on the back. Draw what the strap would look like as it passed through the buckle. Go get a a buckle to use as a model. If you have a piece of armor with a strap and buckle on it, hold it in different orientations and see how it compares to your sketches. See how it compares to the greaves on the effigy. Notice which way the strap is headed when it leaves the buckle.

Spend a few minutes on this until is makes sense. This is time you *will* get back.

Mac

[Tailoress]

Spend a few minutes on this until is makes sense. This is time you *will* get back.

Mac

Excellent advice. I do a variation on this frequently when the drape of clothing on an effigy or in some other form of figural art is not immediately making sense to me. My tools of fast-cheap-an'-easy are:

paper
tissues
scotch tape
scissors
stapler/staples
pen/pencil
measuring tape/ruler

I start by diagraming what I think the fabric would have to do to achieve the drape or some other tailoring effect. Then I start cutting out tissues and taping them together, or stapling them together. I repeat until I get it or until I realize it is physically impossible.

If it's possible with real-life physics to recreate the look using tissues in miniature, then I know that it's possible with fabric and that the artist may not, in fact, be demonstrating whimsy.

Regards,
Tasha