SCA legal?

KeggeR · Post by **KeggeR** » Thu Feb 22, 2001 7:42 pm

I saw this on ebay
[img]http://www.leatherwerkz.com/helm1.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.leatherwerkz.com/helm2.jpg[/img]
hes says "It is very functional for the SCA!!!!"

is this true??!!
-Adam

Joe Skeesick · Post by **Joe Skeesick** » Thu Feb 22, 2001 7:52 pm

Oh its very functional for the SCA as a dress helm. (Pretty nice actually) but for SCA combat its hardly functional at all, unless of course the function your wanting to have is your teeth spilling out on the list field like chicklets in which case I'd say that helm would work great.

Janos

Aidan Cambel · Post by **Aidan Cambel** » Thu Feb 22, 2001 8:00 pm

functional - for decoration.

The society's marshall's handbook states:

"face guards shall prevent a 1 inch dowel from any of the face gaurd openings"

and

"The face gaurd shall extend at least 1 inch (25mm) below the bottom of the chin and jaw line when the head is erect"

Although I didn't find a reference to the face gaurd being "of rigid construction", I doubt very seriously you will find a marshall that will let you fight in this. I know as a deputy marshall I wouldn't.

In Service,
Aidan

KeggeR · Post by **KeggeR** » Thu Feb 22, 2001 8:04 pm

I like the way it looks...

hmm I have to many helms.. but sounds like a good project; If renforced the mail with bars underneath then it might work

montecristo · Post by **montecristo** » Thu Feb 22, 2001 8:13 pm

Kegger: Look at the the size of the eye-openings, im afraid they are a bit too big for SCA combat as Aidan pointed out.
Other than that, nice helm (have always been partial to aventails...)

greets!

Galileo · Post by **Galileo** » Thu Feb 22, 2001 8:13 pm

Looks like the helm from "Rocket Man" with some maille on the bottom....

G--

Aidan Cambel · Post by **Aidan Cambel** » Thu Feb 22, 2001 8:22 pm

BUT

A helm just like that with smaller eye openings, and a bargrill that wraps all away around the head, then covered with the camaille would be SWEET

Garridan · Post by **Garridan** » Thu Feb 22, 2001 9:28 pm

This helm isn't made even CLOSE to spec... the oculars look too big, the steel is 18ga, and I seriously doubt it would pass the "hand on grille and push" test.
However, corpora regs on helm material is:
"Helms shall be constructed of steel of no less than 16-gauge, or of equivalent material. Be aware that steel of less than .0625 inch (1/16 inch or 1.6mm) is too thin, even if it is sold as 16 gauge. Alternative materials such as stainless steel, brass, bronze, or like materials are permissable as long as the material is equivalent to 16ga steel. (Note also that the mass of the helm is an important part of the protection. No titanium, fiberglass, or other ultra-light materials may be used.) If a spun-metal top is to be used in the construction of the helm, it shall be a minimum of 14-gauge steel. The process of spinning the top thins the metal, thereby requiring a heavier gauge."

It never says that the steel must be SHEET steel, it only says steel thicker than .0625 inch. Therefore, steel wire 6.25" or thicker can be used. However, if you make a helm out of chainmaille, it must be either welded per the regs, or riveted. Butted maille just won't do for a helm...

Never does it mention in the rules that any part of a helm must be rigid.

But, don't come to me when the doctors can't "knock the dents out" of your head...
--tom

[This message has been edited by Garridan (edited 02-22-2001).]

Harold the Bear · Post by **Harold the Bear** » Thu Feb 22, 2001 11:17 pm

Hmm very nice viking helm repro.... It would be list legal if he had slightly smaller eyeslots and a bargrill hidden underneath that mail. I say whoever made this helm is a well versed armourer and has decent talent.

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Have Zwei will Travel
HtB

KeggeR · Post by **KeggeR** » Fri Feb 23, 2001 1:47 am

ok now... say I were to use some material such as lexan or polocarbonate to reforce the eye slots now would that look nice!
but dout it would be legal.. I dont know though at this years estrellia it seemed the marshals didnt even care... I passed inspection with out any elbows and was able to fight I was kinda shocked at this.

-Adam

Guy · Post by **Guy** » Fri Feb 23, 2001 2:26 am

WOW, I better ask this question before I go any further. I am making a helm almost like this one, but were teh eyes are there are bars that run up and dnown the eye slits, and a bar grill that goes under the chainmaile to protect the face and chin. I also plan on hanging some chaimaile (not as much as this one) on the front face to hide the bar grill. So does that sound legal? I know about all the sizes of rods and that stuff.

Guy

Guy