Help Malina Kit out!

[Cristoval Ramirez]

One idea might be to start out with hidden armor underneath a loose outer garment appropriate for your persona. The hidden armor won't have to be pretty or authentic, just functional and protective. It could even be hidden sports gear.

I think Reconstructing History has clothing patterns suitable for 16th-century Poland.

This is a good idea. A zupan can hide alot of ugly (but protective) gear.

[Malina]

That's what I'm working on this weekend. A zupon made of some tough fabric can hide things like pickle barrel knees!
The nice thing is super early Hussars were "unarmored." So I can get all the ugly loaner gear, make a Zupon to fit over said ugly loaner gear, and then work on SS pretty gear in the next year or so.

[wAUrrior]

"Hey you! Don't you know Hussars are out of Period? They---hey...ow!Ouch! Stop hitting me!"

Tell that to Earl Sir Edward Ian Anderson.

http://wiki.antir.sca.org/index.php?tit ... n_Anderson


Steinolf Ketilsson

That was a sweet bit of SCA history you threw out there. Thanks! I really want to see this kit on the field Malina!

[Halvgrimr]

Malina

You are gonna find alot of info floating around in the SCA …….some of which is good (most of it actually) and some of it that is bad.
When its good, its good
When its bad, ITS NORMALLY REALLY BAD!

IMO if you really want to excel in the SCA, always take the info you get from others and do your own research.
As is often quoted on another forum...Trust but verify!
This sets a good researcher apart from an average one IMO
It also always lets you know YOU have the most correct info:)

Me, I have in the past been known as a PN, I know some find the term offensive but I dont find the title belittling at all.
I doesn’t bother me a bit that I know my stuff (in my area of research) and people know they can come to me and get good info.
Nothing wrong with that, I am proud of it in fact.
What I DO NOT do, is push my opinions or critique a kit without being asked (and then I always give folks the option of a SCA critique or a LH level critique)

All that said, I personally don’t mind kits that push the limits of the SCA (I did a short stint of Jap stuff once)
Id rather see one REALLY well done “fringe” kit than a dozen genericelt kits on the field.

Do it and do it well and folks are less likely to give you crap about it IMO

I forget who said it (probably someone here on the AA) but:

Do what you do for the love of it. The rest be damned

I would simply add that pushing the fringe will require you to do alot of educating of folks, just be gentle and expect some pushback, prepare for dickish comments and smother them with kindness and positive attitude.
In doing so, most folks will come around, and once folks know you know what you are talking about, the educating becomes easier:)

[Halvgrimr]

Tell that to Earl Sir Edward Ian Anderson.

http://wiki.antir.sca.org/index.php?tit ... n_Anderson


Steinolf Ketilsson

Wow, that cool looking
Does he wear the feather harness (sorry, no idea what its really called) when he takes the list field?
If so what is it constructed of?
It would suck to have to keep rebuilding something as nice as that!

[Sasha_Khan]

I have never seen Earl Edward fight on foot with his wings in place. They would certainly hinder quite a bit of movement, if you were to fight weapon and shield.

At the Thirty Year celebration, I watched Earl Edward make several passes in the equestrian arena during the games, and it was quite a sight to see the combination of horse, rider and wings heading toward me at speed. Several times, I had to fight the impulse to bolt when I was in line with Edward's path.

I've been learning quite a bit about the hussars since joining a LH Hussar group (as the Ottoman adversary) - much of it by osmosis - and something to think about is that earlier hussars' wings were mounted to the saddle, and not the armor.

There were also the pancerni - lighter cavalry - which would certainly work as an SCAimpression - with a helmet, zupan, and hidden armor you'd have an admirable start at a good-looking kit.

[Thomas MacFinn]

If you step out on the field in a complete kit from a single time period (as opposed to SCA generic or time-traveler's convention), you will be head and shoulders above at least 50% of the people on the field, no matter what that time period would be.

[Effingham]

Oh, you'd also like to get the film "1612" -- it's bitchin cool, and has some great winged hussar charges in it.

[Thomas MacFinn]

Saber:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/ra ... oland3.jpg

I want my stick to be as close to that as I can get. I've gotta read up about curved weapons though. Yay! Newbie.

I happen to have a szabla on my 'to do' list.

[herrhauptmann]

Taken from my trip to Poland, if only I had realized a year later I was going to be doing this I would have taken about a million more pictures!!

Saber:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/ra ... oland3.jpg

I want my stick to be as close to that as I can get. I've gotta read up about curved weapons though. Yay! Newbie.

By My Hand does sword hilts that are strong and light.
You could probably convince them to do a small run of hilts in that style. I tried last Pennsic, but I think he wanted me to put it together in a drafting program or something, then send that in for him to fabricate.
But if we get more people interested in saber hilts of that style, maybe they'll actually make one.

If you're going to go for curved rattan, I'd suggest something like the katanas that Nissan Maxima uses. Only the last few inches are curved. Since we use rattan, slashing weapons like katanas and sabres don't work very well. They tend to skip.
On the plus side, as far as stick fighting goes, I think the curve will allow you to make some unusual thrusts as people. Stick the stab when you wouldn't be able to with a straight sword.

Also, a favor to ask:
If you find a source for an inexpensive sabre of that style, could you send me a link to it? All I can find have enclosed hilts of one style or another. Think US naval cutlass from the civil war.

[Gypsy]

for curved rattan try a papasan chair

[Malina]

Did I mention I'm left handed?

The guys at our pratice can't WAIT to get me in armor. Girl & Lefty, two things they don't get to fight against often.

[Thomas MacFinn]

for curved rattan try a papasan chair

While that sounds like an interesting idea, for SCA use rattan cannot be treated in any way that stiffens the rattan. Papisan chairs are usually shellacked.

[Paladin74]

Oh, you'd also like to get the film "1612" -- it's bitchin cool, and has some great winged hussar charges in it.

I saw some previews of it so I'm getting it as well.

[Arthmael]

I believe it is extremely admirable to be striving for a period kit you'll be proud to show off.
However, in the group I fight with we follow a three step program when outfitting new fighters:

1) Get them in armor
2) Get them in armor that FITS them
3) Get them in armor that is pretty/suits a persona/etc

Step number three is a never ending quest really. When you think you've fulfilled it, you realize that your tastes have changed...

"Sports" armor, while often frowned upon, is still a good place to begin for someone just starting out in the society and just wanting to start swinging a stick as soon as possible. Plastic plates, some motocross gear for instance, aluminum or hardened leather stitched or rivetted onto a leather jerkin. Etc etc. The ugly stuff that you can hide underneath a pretty tabard.

It doesn't get you bragging rights, and you don't get that nice knightly swagger, but it gets you on the field. (And I can get a "sports" kit to fit in a highschool backpack I found in my closet...)

[Gypsy]

ask sir theodrik of skane about papasn chair use in the west
he would tell a different story thomas

[Thomas MacFinn]

I personally know of a very long thread on this forum, started by the SEM, about unsafe weapons based on bad copies of one of my designs.

Sir Theodrik may be able to get papasan chairs from a place that that does not shellac them or he may be doing something else entirely to make his weapons legal and safe or he may be simply ignoring the rule. I have no way of knowing. Either way, "X does it" has never been a good reason to ignore a safety guideline written in the rules.

[Ironbadger]

Heh.

When I was first getting into the SCA a couple of decades ago, I wanted to fight in 3/4 cuirraisser plate from the English civil war era.

My second choice was to do a Polish winged hussar.

I never quite managed the cash to try to do either- and in the end, I did put together a rather crude Turkish kit that I never really managed the right helmet for.

So I also heartily endorse the hussar choice.

Since I am now making armor, I admit I have toyed with the idea of trying to make the anime cuirraisse.
Good, closeup pics of the details are hard to come by, and I cannot really even start without some solid construction notes.

But its on my list of future projects I want to do.

-Badger-