Clappenvisor hinge construction?

Erik Schmidt · Post by **Erik Schmidt** » Tue Mar 13, 2001 5:07 am

I am planning on constructing a bascinet with a clappenvisor and would like to know how to make the detachable hinge.
Does anyone have a good description, photos or diagrams which detail an actual period method used.

Erik

Mad Matt · Post by **Mad Matt** » Tue Mar 13, 2001 9:59 am

I don't remember exactly how much info there is and how relevant it will be but Brian Price's book "Techniques of Medieval Armour Reproduction in the 14th century" does go into detail regarding the construction of historically accurate klappvisor hinges.

It's also got a section on raising the round faced visor for it that you may find helpfull as well.

I won't scan any pics from this book since it's still in print and Mr. Price deserves to make money from his wonderful book. His success may encourage others to write similar works which is definitly benificial to all armourers.

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Prince Of Darkmoor · Post by **Prince Of Darkmoor** » Tue Mar 13, 2001 11:59 am

There's a pattern for the hinge in the pattern archive - Sinric made a nice one.

Erik Schmidt · Post by **Erik Schmidt** » Tue Mar 13, 2001 5:59 pm

It seems like Brian's book is a must have!
I already have Sinric's patterns for the clappenvisor bascinet, but have no idea if the hinge design is period. I have e-mailed him and am now awaiting a reply.

It just strikes me as very odd that there is so little information available on actual period pieces.
I see the main fault lies with the museums, which produce almost no technical information for the public, most of it being reserved for authors of all encompassing and expensive treatices on armour.
Brian Prices book is looking like the first significant departure from this trend, although I'd like to see a copy before outlaying the most money I'll ever have paid for a single book.

Thanks,

Erik

Mad Matt · Post by **Mad Matt** » Tue Mar 13, 2001 6:43 pm

Umm if he doesn't just give you a copy then I'd say he's a jerk. After all he does mention you and in the copyright information there are some pictures of yours listed.

I'd say contact him directly and ask him for a copy. I'd say it's the least he could do. If this doesn't pan out lemme know.

Don't know why I didn't realize that in the first place.

He references and credits your work many times in the chapter about weaving maille.

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Dmitriy · Post by **Dmitriy** » Tue Mar 13, 2001 7:08 pm

LOL

Matt, we've got a case of mistaken identity here.
Wrong Erik Schmidt, this one is Australlian

Yes, Brian's book is a must have. As a side note, if you decide to buy one it would be great if you did so by clicking through the banner ad for it here on the archive -- that way, Archive gets the reference points (which means Brian is more likely to keep paying tfor the advertisements here and thus supporting the site), and also, you buy directly from the author, which means he isn't getting ripped off (he makes very little money on sales through other bookstores).

Dmitriy

Wainwright · Post by **Wainwright** » Tue Mar 13, 2001 10:52 pm

Erik;

Check Master Cad's site. http://www.isd.net/cdavis/index.htm

At one time he had posted an article here on the archive about clap hinges.

Hope this helps,
W

Erik Schmidt · Post by **Erik Schmidt** » Wed Mar 14, 2001 6:17 am

Don't worry Matt, you're not the first to confuse us.

Which banner is that Dmitriy? I haven't noticed one for the book.

Wainwright, I know Cad's site well and have never come across such an article. It's a pity some of the old archive site is gone. I'd ask Cad if he still had a copy, but I think he's flat out with his move.

Erik

Dmitriy · Post by **Dmitriy** » Wed Mar 14, 2001 6:55 am

Refresh a few times

It's the black and red one.
Or just go to the chronique site, but then AA doesn't get any credit

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mshedden · Post by **mshedden** » Wed Mar 14, 2001 9:09 am

Ask and ye shall recieve. I sometimes save useful tips from the Archive. Here is Cad's description for how he makes klappvisor hinges

The hindge is formed from 3/16inch bar stock 1 inch wide. Start by forming the eye.
Heat the end of the bar to yellow heat with your torch. Make sure it is only hot for
about 1/2 inch. Hammer a right angle over the edge of the anvil. Reheat behind the
bend to yellow and start rolling the bar around a piece of 1/4 inch round stock. When
the eye is formed, drive out the round stock and weld the eye closed. You have to
make 2 of these. On one you cut out the center, on the other you cut the sides to
form a hindge. I then cut the bar to length and grind the upper shape. bevel the rivet
hole, polish and rivet shut. NOTE make the inner hole of the hindge slightly bigger than
the rivet, that way when you hammer it shut, it doesn't bind up.

Enjoy

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Michael
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Chuck Davis · Post by **Chuck Davis** » Wed Mar 14, 2001 6:10 pm

Hi guys,
Here is a pic of what I made for Vitus' bascinet.

[img]http://www.isd.net/cdavis/images/00_00018.jpg[/img]

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-Chuck
aka Cadwallon y' Rhudd