Scales or plates please

MattTheViking · Post by **MattTheViking** » Thu Apr 17, 2003 10:06 pm

I need to make a coat of plates or scales, im a big boy so i need alot of scales and/or plates. Thank you!

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Pheylin Quinn · Post by **Pheylin Quinn** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 7:37 am

Master Geoffrey sells tailorable CoP kits:

http://www.hammeredsteel.com/gaa/armour/gaa/body.htm

MattTheViking · Post by **MattTheViking** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 4:10 pm

Thanks! anyone know where i could get some scales?

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white mountain armoury · Fri Apr 18, 2003 4:43 pm

i sell lamella plates, not the "scale" you are looking for i bet.
http://www.thegreenman.net/wma/

yukailin · Post by **yukailin** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 10:35 pm

The only place I've seen scales sold, but already in a completed item.

http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/Scale_Armour.html

If they don't need to be metal, then try

http://www.arenaleather.com/Reenactors.htm

I'm also looking around for Scales, and may go for the leather, but would prefer a light aluminum, or maybe even plastics that I can paint to look like metal, as I'm only interested in doing a recreation costume, and not being combat ready.

Wulfgar Davinsson · Post by **Wulfgar Davinsson** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 10:31 am

I hate that Scale Cuirass.. I've seen it before, and I still hate it.

It's cool that they've fluted the scales, but they're attached completely wrong (you can tell by the way they lie)... for 900 bucks, I would expect more.

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Templar Bob/De Tyre · Sat Apr 19, 2003 11:09 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Wulfgar Davinsson:
I hate that Scale Cuirass.. I've seen it before, and I still hate it.

It's cool that they've fluted the scales, but they're attached completely wrong (you can tell by the way they lie)... for 900 bucks, I would expect more.

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Hey, Wulfgar:

How did the specifically screw it up?

If you go to Matthew Amt's Webpage on the Lorica Squamata, that seems very similar to how the one constructed by Deepeeka is done. Is there something you know that we don't?

I'm asking because I'm trying to talk one of my guys out of making a (potentially) expensive mistake...

knyaz · Post by **knyaz** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:20 pm

Here is my scale armor
http://www.geocities.com/knyazprime/index.html

It is waxed leather, and has held up for over 7 years now (I fight both Markland and SCA)
I am also a "big boy" and you can count the number of scales on the front-same number on the back. If you make the scales smaller, this should still give you an idea of how many you need. I am 5" 10" 320lbs. I used a side of 12oz leather-about $100. I mounted it to 4 oz garment weight leather- about $30.

Hey! I said I was big...now pass the Hoho's!

Blackcross

[This message has been edited by knyaz (edited 04-19-2003).]

MattTheViking · Post by **MattTheViking** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:22 pm

Your link doesnt work but thanks anyway.

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knyaz · Post by **knyaz** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:25 pm

Sorry, I fixed it!

Templar Bob/De Tyre · Post by **Templar Bob/De Tyre** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:26 pm

Yup--that's what it says...

"This page is not available.
We're sorry, but this page is currently unavailable for viewing.
If this site belongs to you, please read this help page for more information and assistance.

For general questions see our main help area, or search for other member pages"

knyaz · Post by **knyaz** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:27 pm

It still dosen't work? It works for me now!

MattTheViking · Post by **MattTheViking** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:27 pm

how big sgould maille rings approximatley be?

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Theros · Post by **Theros** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 6:40 pm

www.theringlord.com should be selling some nice scales soon, look through there forum for lorenzos scale stuff that should give you an idea of wat they are trying to get. what i hear is they will be offering it both in brass and stainless.

warclub_33 · Post by **warclub_33** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:01 pm

Damn Knyaz, you could be me twin brother, cept I prefer Twinkies over HoHo's. Do you have trouble finding knee and elbow pads to fit you, I know I sure as hell do.

knyaz · Post by **knyaz** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 10:42 pm

No NO my twinkie brother...use the ones that have the velcro straps....and sew on extra elastic to the strap to span your girth...now, pass the pie!

Jantien van Vranckenvoert · Mon Apr 21, 2003 12:24 pm

www.brettunsvillage.com/leather/scrap/scraps.html

Scroll down the page, they have a butt-load of "scales" in 14-15oz leather. He sent me a couple of sample pieces with my last order, nice and thick.

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Lucian Ro · Post by **Lucian Ro** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 12:37 pm

This won't be much help, but I know there was someone online that was making, dare I say it, plastic lamellar.
Multiple colors, seemed to pass the 10' rule quite easily.
Search under 'plastic lamellar' and I'm sure it'll come up ...

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Wulfgar Davinsson · Post by **Wulfgar Davinsson** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 1:12 pm

I have seen VERY few scales that are attached only at the top. You can tell that these plates are attached "top only" due to the way the scales "twist".

Look closely, they're not all hanging straight. In practice, scales that twist in this fashion get torn loose, quickly.

In practice:

Scales should be attached to the backing at the top and one side, if only attaching to the backing.

A better style of lacing, (this is specualation based on hole patterns of historical scales) would be to imagine a "scale shaped" lamellae. Two holes on what is (on a standard lamellar plate) normally conmsidered the "bottom" (top on a scale... the flat edge), two on each side about a third of the way down.

These scales are laced to one another in a horizontal row, which is then laced to the backing. You end up with a fairly solid row of scales. The do the same above that row, with another row... and so on.

What you end up with, is a scale shirt, that actually protects you, without falling apart, but reatins an amazing level of flexibility (the rows compress from the top down)

From most of the scales I have seen (most from around central asia, middle east, southern russia) this is the only conclusion that can really be drawn from the hole patterns in the scales.

SOME scales do only have holes on one end... general opinion as I have seen it, is that these were used in specific areas of the armour.. say, the bottom "hem" or outer row at the shoulder...

As for a Lorica Plumata, I seem to remember an example that had the scales connected to the maille with rings on the top and one side... again, to prevent twisting.

I remember one fighter around this area who spent a great deal of time making a scale shirt, only to have it pretty much disintegrate over the course of a few months...

I suppose what I should have said earlier was this:

"In my opinion, based on the large amount of time I have spent studying lamellar and scale armour , the scale shirt above is assembled wrong. Doubly so if someone were to wear it in a modern combat situation."

And, T-Bob, if you look at those scales in the Legio page.. they are laced together. This is what prevents it from "twisting". The shirt on there is done correctly... it results in a very uniform looking shirt.

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MattTheViking · Post by **MattTheViking** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 10:38 pm

"butt load"? Sounds like Weird-al to me.

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Torvaldr · Post by **Torvaldr** » Thu Apr 24, 2003 11:54 am

I do not know if you recieved my email or saw my post but I make Hardened Leather scales for sale, and lamellar scales as well.

Torvaldr

Lucian Ro · Post by **Lucian Ro** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:56 pm

A-ha, I knew I had it around somewhere.

I THINK it's our very own InsaneIrish, isn't it?

http://www.plasticlamellar.com/

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T. Finkas · Post by **T. Finkas** » Sun May 04, 2003 9:47 am

Steel scales---check em out:

http://ask-vikingekampgruppe.dk/english17.html

This guy was at Great Western War last year, and I can say that his stuff looks great first-hand. He also sells lamellar lames.

Tim

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taltosh · Post by **taltosh** » Sun May 04, 2003 11:18 am

Valentine Armouries still has a large scale vest on his specials page, for 250$. If this is for SCA I would pass on it, definitely not up to heavies standards, but if it's for LH, LARP or boffer it might do the trick.

Cheers

Chris