I am going to be producing a pourpoint and was wondering if any of you have done so. If so, what were the "gotchas" durring construction? How do you feel the end product functioned?
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God I hope I'm not going tofeel stupid after this, but exactly what the HECK is a pourpoint???
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A pourpoint is a sleeveless doublet that you can wear under an arming doublet. The idea is that your hosen are pointed to the pourpoint to hold them up. It's sleeveless so that it doesn't get it the way of the arms on the arming doublet worn over it.
I've made two of them so far. One is made from 8oz. linen with two layers of 12oz. hemp canvas reinforcing the area around the holes for the points. The other is made from 12oz. hemp twill with to extra layers reinforcing the area around the holes for the points.
I'm planning on using the 12oz. twill one for under my armour. The 8oz. linen pourpoint is for outdoor events in the summer when I don't wanted to wear a full doublet. I've worn the linen pourpoint (as garb and not under armour) at Pennsic on hot days a number of times and it worked very well.
I wouldn't using anything thinner then a 8oz. linen or hemp fabric for a pourpoint. If you plan on using it when fighting then I'd recommend 12oz. hemp fabric. I think a twill or herringbone would work very well for this but you could also use canvas. If you plan on pointing your leg harnesses to it (i.e. - use it as an arming doublet) then be sure and heavily reinforce a large area around the holes that the legs will point to.
I have a pattern for the pourpoints that I made, if your interested I could post them along with some pictures. As far as size goes I'm 5' 10" with a 42" chest and a 34" waist.
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I've made two of them so far. One is made from 8oz. linen with two layers of 12oz. hemp canvas reinforcing the area around the holes for the points. The other is made from 12oz. hemp twill with to extra layers reinforcing the area around the holes for the points.
I'm planning on using the 12oz. twill one for under my armour. The 8oz. linen pourpoint is for outdoor events in the summer when I don't wanted to wear a full doublet. I've worn the linen pourpoint (as garb and not under armour) at Pennsic on hot days a number of times and it worked very well.
I wouldn't using anything thinner then a 8oz. linen or hemp fabric for a pourpoint. If you plan on using it when fighting then I'd recommend 12oz. hemp fabric. I think a twill or herringbone would work very well for this but you could also use canvas. If you plan on pointing your leg harnesses to it (i.e. - use it as an arming doublet) then be sure and heavily reinforce a large area around the holes that the legs will point to.
I have a pattern for the pourpoints that I made, if your interested I could post them along with some pictures. As far as size goes I'm 5' 10" with a 42" chest and a 34" waist.
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A couple of points:
1) The pourpoint must fit perfectly snug over the hips, for it is the hips that support the armour, not the shoulders---this is extremely important!
2) My understanding is that a pourpoint assists in supporting only the upper half of the leg harness and partially the knee assembly. The greaves should be cased and support themselves and a bit of the knee weight so that the entire weight of the leg harness does NOT have to be bourne by the hips. (I think chef de chambre has discussed these issues in the past---Chef?)
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1) The pourpoint must fit perfectly snug over the hips, for it is the hips that support the armour, not the shoulders---this is extremely important!
2) My understanding is that a pourpoint assists in supporting only the upper half of the leg harness and partially the knee assembly. The greaves should be cased and support themselves and a bit of the knee weight so that the entire weight of the leg harness does NOT have to be bourne by the hips. (I think chef de chambre has discussed these issues in the past---Chef?)
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[This message has been edited by Le Brassey (edited 02-18-2001).]
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The pourpoint also has a full sleeve as seen in the pourpoint of Charles of Blois, in which case it is often refereed to as a Grande Assiette. I have attached a link that has a pattern with it. The only problem is that the pattern is conjectural and I do not believe the original author has ever made the garment. I have made one and found that the gussets need some adaptation to make it work. My advice is to make the entire thing from muslin and play with it to make it fit. Enjoy the process of construction you will learn a lot about why gores were used in period. They allow you to fit the piece to the piece to the body and have room for a margin of error.
The pourpoint that I made was meant as a piece of clothing and not to be worn with armour. I have included a ling for a picture of mine, it is in the bottom right had corner of the page. There are a large number of illuminations showing it unpadded for civilian use. When being worn as body armour and to support the leg harness it tends to work against much of what we do in SCA combat. The pourpoint does keep the legs up and the legs help hold the pourpoint down, however try to lift your arms over your head and you are in for a lot of fun.
Enjoy the process of construction you will learn a lot about why gores were used in period. They allow you to fit the piece to the piece to the body and have room for a margin of error.
Pattern: http://webnz.com/forest/Medieval/articles/garments/Charles_blois/Charles_blois.html
Picture of the one I made: http://www.geocities.com/sdebeziers/SCA.html
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The pourpoint that I made was meant as a piece of clothing and not to be worn with armour. I have included a ling for a picture of mine, it is in the bottom right had corner of the page. There are a large number of illuminations showing it unpadded for civilian use. When being worn as body armour and to support the leg harness it tends to work against much of what we do in SCA combat. The pourpoint does keep the legs up and the legs help hold the pourpoint down, however try to lift your arms over your head and you are in for a lot of fun.
Enjoy the process of construction you will learn a lot about why gores were used in period. They allow you to fit the piece to the piece to the body and have room for a margin of error.
Pattern: http://webnz.com/forest/Medieval/articles/garments/Charles_blois/Charles_blois.html
Picture of the one I made: http://www.geocities.com/sdebeziers/SCA.html
Phillipe de Pamiers
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