Mail authenticity?

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Sun Jul 07, 2002 6:49 pm

any one have any thoughts on these picts? they were taken in Vianden, Luxembourg a week or so ago.
[img]http://www.thadenpierce.com/armor/discussion/mail_sleeve.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.thadenpierce.com/armor/discussion/mail_detail.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.thadenpierce.com/armor/discussion/mail_skirt.jpg[/img]
They look a bit off to me, I have some other images from some armor there as well and some of them appear to likely be victorian era, so I was wondering about these as well. Patrick

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Egfroth · Post by **Egfroth** » Sun Jul 07, 2002 6:55 pm

The pictures didn't come through the first time I looked. I went back again and got the second two pics. On a third look, all of them came up.

The mail construction looks fine. The idea of adding dagged mail to the bottom of a leather tunic seems a little suss to me, however. I've never heard of it happening in the "age of mail". There WERE mail additions made to arming doublets in places like armpits to wear under plate, but my belief is that this example is a "half-measure" designed to make it look like a full dagged hauberk, to show under the bottom of the surcoat, without having to do all the work to make a complete one.

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Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Sun Jul 07, 2002 8:17 pm

Hey try again, I think it works now

Chuck Davis · Post by **Chuck Davis** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 6:29 pm

Well, they have round rivets instead of the usual wedge rivets found in Europe. The wire seems very round too. hummmmmm

Otto von Teich · Post by **Otto von Teich** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 8:18 pm

The wire looks pretty round to me too. Seems like it should be flattened more.I think they did use round and oval wire though on occasion. They did use alot of round rivets in Europe.Not sure where the idea came from that they were all wedge rivets.I wouldnt think they would have made much if any riveted mail during the victorian era,as its soooo time consuming....Otto

Steve S. · Post by **Steve S.** » Tue Jul 09, 2002 9:07 pm

The most striking thing to me is the cripness of the overlap regions of the riveted rings. The maille does not appear to be terribly worn.

The round rivet are interesting, but round rivets were used in European and Eastern maille, as were wedge rivets. The solid rings are quite interesting - on some of the rings it appears that you can make out a scarf weld join.

The rings aappear to be made of round wire which would support this being later-era maille.

Steve

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Dmitriy · Post by **Dmitriy** » Tue Jul 09, 2002 10:16 pm

I've a question.. on the close-up shot (pic 2) you can see a messed up ring close to the right edge of the picture; I wonder why they would weave in a ring that was punched so poorly? They couldn't possibly rivet it.

Halvgrimr · Post by **Halvgrimr** » Thu Jul 11, 2002 4:16 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Chuck Davis:
Well, they have round rivets instead of the usual wedge rivets found in Europe. The wire seems very round too. hummmmmm</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

--glad i saw this post today, it was brought to my attention today that the mail on the Gjermandbu is riveted with round section rivets with domed heads.

as i have heard here many times that headed rivets (in riveted maille) were generally only found in later period Asian armor, i thought this might interest some of you

Halvgrimr
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