Bascinet documentation?

[Mykaru]

Does ANYBODY have documentation for anything other than a pigface on a highpoint? I've got tons of pics, but nothing but pigfaces on highpoints. Need an alternative if possible.

[Ernst]

Perhaps

http://www.byu.edu/~hurlbut/dscriptorium/jugement/jpg/jdj-047.jpg

or

http://www.bnf.fr/enluminures/images/jpeg/i1_0076.jpg

[Cet]

If you'll accept documentation in the form of art work as opposed to extant helmets I would suggest the folowing:

In Osprey's Crecy 1346
effigy of Bertold V pg 11- ogival skull

carved Easter Sepulcher 1345 pg60 essential round or globular w/ ridge

effigy of unnamed Knight pg. 8- globular skull

From Edge and Paddock AAoMK
monumental brass of Sir J. d'Aubernon 1340 pg78.- fluted ogival skull

Pistoia alter piece pg75. lots of globular skulls and some ogival shapes.

effigy of Hugh Despenser pg 68-globular skull.

Hopefull you have access to these two books as they are fairly common, but htere are plenty of others ( these two were sitting nearby)

To my knowledge (which is admitedly limited) visors didn't varry nearly as much, basically breaking down into the two forms of conical i.e. pigface of houdsgugle, and the globular clapvisor.

Hopr this helps

[Konstantin the Red]

Then later came the monkey-faced visors on great bascinets with their mid-point skulls.

[Erik Schmidt]

Mykaru, what type of highpoint do you have?
What year are you trying to represent?

Ernst, that first link is new to me. I have an image from it already, but had no idea where I had it from. Now I know, thanks.

Cet, I think Mykaru was asking about different visors for a high point bascinet, not different types of bascinets.

Erik

[Cet]

Your right Eric, don't know how I misread that. My bad

[Mykaru]

The first link will work. A side pivot high point that ISN'T a pigface. The high point I have is an older 3 piece pattern no longer use. Lines are most similar to French around the turn of the century.

[Erik Schmidt]

By "Lines are most similar to French around the turn of the century" I assume you mean 1380-1400 high point with straight back.

How straight is the back of the bascinet? If it is very straight or leans back, then it is only really appropriate for the period 1380-1400.
However, if the back curves in towards the top, so that the point is between half way and almost at the back, then it could be appropriate for the second and third quater of the 14th century also.
If the former, then your only real option is the monkey faced visor Konstantin mentioned (not confined to great bascinets), in limited use sometime around 1400.
If the latter, then there are numerous illustrations of globose, side pivoted visors in use, but they seem common, judging from the images I have, only in the first and part of the second quater of the 14th c. It seems that the pigface took over and became almost universal sometime around 1370-1380.

Erik

[Egfroth]

Mykaru, I have some pics I can send you if you like, of stuff from the first half of the C14 with different visors, and a few of globose visors from the second half. I can't post them here because my website server isn't friendly with this forum (I use geocities - hey, it's free)

Your server is hotmail, which means I'd probably have to send the pics one by one - too little memory otherwise.

There was a vigorous dicussion on this topic when Halberds was making his bascinet. You should be able to find it in the archives. if you want some pics from my own records, email me privately and I'll send them to you.

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[white mountain armoury]

Hey Eg, you can mail them to me, i have tons of space and would be happy to host them.