Pics: Milanese bucket, barbute in progress

Eric T · Post by **Eric T** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 11:11 am

OK, first attempt at posting pics:

*** Pics removed, made html page. See below a few posts. ***

First one is a "milanese" type sallet for me to wear when playing an early 16th-century gunner (I tell people my Grandaddy wore it at the siege of Granada). Second is a barbute I'm fooling with, to get the hang of raising tall helmets.

ET

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Eric T · Post by **Eric T** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 11:15 am

Drat! Knew I'd blow at least one picture. OK, let's try again:

http://www.geocities.com/dakotahb/Armor/barbute_c4.jpg

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Eric T · Post by **Eric T** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 11:20 am

All right, something's wrong with the barbute pic. I'll try posting it later. Sorry!

Anyway, the milaner was raised out of 12ga cold-rolled mild, about 19" disk. Weighs about 5 lbs. Brass border, with simple knotwork engraving. Plume socket on front. Lined with tow-stuffed cloth padding, sewn to a leather browband, rivited to skull. I tried to sort of copy the sallet from the Rhodes find that shows up as a pic in almost every large armour book.

ET

Joe Skeesick · Post by **Joe Skeesick** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 11:27 am

Geocities won't let you directly post the images here. Yes, I know you can see one or both of them now, but it all has to do with your cache and referencing pages and all sorts of fun stuff.

Here are the links to the pics.

http://www.geocities.com/dakotahb/Armor/barbute_c4.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/dakotahb/Armor/milanese1.jpg

(do the ? no ? thing till you see em... same as always)

The gear looks great. I'm jellous. =}

J

The Lost Scott · Post by **The Lost Scott** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 11:58 am

That is beutiful I want one.

LS

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 12:29 pm

I threw it up in my temporary pics file so we could see it here...

Amazing work Eric.

[img]http://www.broadway-design.com/tempics/milanese1.jpg[/img]
Erics helm...

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muttman · Post by **muttman** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 12:43 pm

I couldn`t see the pics of the barbute, but the pic Broadway put up is beutifull! Very nice work!
John

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Jonathon More · Post by **Jonathon More** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 4:46 pm

hey eric, how about a nice celata? been looking for one for quite a while. let me know if youre interested

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Samuel · Post by **Samuel** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 6:40 pm

Very sweet stuff. I got the chance to see Eric T.'s norman conical at Estrella last year and can say without doubt his work is much more impressive in person than the photos.

Eric T · Post by **Eric T** » Sat Sep 01, 2001 7:34 pm

Thanks, everyone.

I'm having a heck of a time with geocities. Download is miserable, links don't seem to work, etc. Are you guys seeing the photos?

Anyway, my wife is a hard-core webhead, so she will fix the pics. Maybe tomorrow.

Johnathon: What type of helm are you referring to by "celata"? I usually think of a milanese bucket like the one illustrated above (thanks a lot Matt, by the way, for hosting it... saved me from total embarrasment!).

ET

Eric T · Post by **Eric T** » Sun Sep 02, 2001 4:31 pm

OK, one more time. My better half slapped a few photos into a small page, so let's see if this works:

http://www.geocities.com/dakotahb/Armor/helmets.html

Top: barbute in progress. About the 4th raising course.

Middle: two shots of "milanese sallet". Front shot shows the plume holder better.

Bottom: on left, me at Estrella being a sort of Swiss-type halberd guy. Big warhat, 12ga, a bit heavy. Will go lighter next time. On right, being a gunner with Coronado's expedition. Wearing the milaner. One cool thing about playing a soldier in a poor 1540's expedition, is you can have 60-70 year-old equipment with perfect authenticty, such as the helmet. (This picture was taken at Yuma, AZ in Feb this year.) If you think the skull of the helmet looks rather high, I agree; but I took the templates right from the pictures of the original, and the 15th cent. guys just seemed to like the high profile!

Sorry for the gabby post, but I haven't put captions in the page yet. Still new at this web stuff...

ET

JJ Shred · Post by **JJ Shred** » Sun Sep 02, 2001 7:54 pm

Very, very nice! Are you raising the barbute out of one piece of flat? Did you raise the salet the same way?

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Eric T · Post by **Eric T** » Mon Sep 03, 2001 11:14 am

Yes, all the helmets I'm doing now are raised. I use 12ga mild for almost everything, unless someone wants a helm of lighter build. The barbute started as a 21" disk, the sallet as a 19" disk with some tail material added, sort of a blunt teardrop shape. Both were sunk quite a bit before raising. (Don't let the above fool you into thinking I'm a pro armourer. I'm not. This is a hobby. I just love messing around with helmets.)

The barbute looks a little lopsided in the photo, and it is. Tall helmets are hard to raise, at least for me. Cumulative raising errors, almost a raising "handedness" if you have some bad striking habit, can build up and cause one area to be significantly less extended than others. It ain't the metal's fault! I figure 3 or 4 more barbutes will help me zero in on proper technique, to get the most out of the metal.

ET

Lord Calidan · Post by **Lord Calidan** » Wed Sep 05, 2001 11:26 am

Try putting a ? at the end of the address...
I found something cool.