Roman neck protection

DMUSER · Post by **DMUSER** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:27 pm

Ok, I'm trying to put together a 1st century AD Roman kit. Looking at a lorica segmentata(not sure what design yet) and an Imperial Gallic helmet with a bargrill or some other kind of SCA legal device.

What I want to know is what I can use for larynx protection that could possibly be period. I'm pretty sure between the Lorica segmentata and the gaurd on the helm I'd be legal on the back of the neck, but I want more protection there even if I would be legal.

Is there some kind of period gorget, or solution that I can use?

D. Sebastian · Post by **D. Sebastian** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:04 pm

Any colar gorget that you cover with a scarf.

ie - hide it.
Good luck.

Xanthier · Post by **Xanthier** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:34 am

Agreed..
I do much the same.
I have a GAA Stainless gorget covered by a scarf.

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:46 am

D. Sebastian wrote:Any colar gorget that you cover with a scarf.

ie - hide it.
Good luck.

Exactly what D said.

Use a "dog collar" type gorget and a scarf to conceal it.

Also, to my knowledge there are no articulating back guards for roman helmets, so no the back of your neck would not be sca legal with just the helm and lorca.

when you look down the back of the helm will go up and allow a sword to get in.

D. Sebastian · Post by **D. Sebastian** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:48 am

I'm 6th Cent and I just accept the gorget as an anacronisim:
http://www.hausvdk.com/galleries/Crusad ... DSeb-1.jpg
I hide it in plain sight.

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:34 am

There in is the problem with trying to do personas that did not make armour that will pass armour inspection in the SCA. You can be period or you can pass armour inspection... you can't do both with most pre-medieval personas.

The suggestions here are about all ya can do.

St. George · Post by **St. George** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:48 am

They wore scarves to protect their necks from the chafing of the armor. Just use one to cover your gorget and you'll look very period and be protected. Just make sure you use the right kind...

Alaric

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:06 am

http://www.carlislemillenniumdig.co.uk/pages/armour.htm

There are also a number of good books on Roman equipment. Look through those to see what may be apropriate. I've seen some nice ones by Bishop, but it's not an area I've focused on.

I think it'd be cooler to slightly modify something apropriate than to use something 15 centuries out of place.

Good luck,
Jacob

olaf haraldson · Post by **olaf haraldson** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:54 pm

Well, when the assumed armour of the SCA won't pass inspection...

Murdock wrote:There in is the problem with trying to do personas that did not make armour that will pass armour inspection in the SCA. You can be period or you can pass armour inspection... you can't do both with most pre-medieval personas.

The suggestions here are about all ya can do.

DMUSER · Post by **DMUSER** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:35 pm

D. Sebastian wrote:Any colar gorget that you cover with a scarf.

ie - hide it.
Good luck.

That's what I figured I'd do.

http://www.carlislemillenniumdig.co.uk/pages/armour.htm

Jacob, do you have any idea how this nexk protection would actually function to build and attach it to existing armour? From the looks of it its just plates fastened together by copper wire that would fit around the neck like a necklace.

D. Sebastian · Post by **D. Sebastian** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:32 pm

[img]http://www.hausvdk.com/VDKresearch/Byzantine/Bulg04.jpg[/img]

Its a mantle (basically).

Not sure if you would have seen this on Romano Brits.
Its Byzantine, but later than 5th cent.

You'd still need to attach a colar gorget to it.

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:52 am

Looks like that would go well with a set of Lammallar to. Not Lorica, I still advise a simple leather padded dog collar and a scarf. I know the Scarf is period with the Lorica.

Owen · Post by **Owen** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 6:15 pm

I use an aluminum gorget covered in red fabric to look like a scarf.