Wanted: Pic of Sir Hugh Despenser (Tewkesbury Abbey)

Torr O'Neal · Post by **Torr O'Neal** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:46 pm

I have done a search of the Archive and of google and results were dissapointing. I am looking for a whole shot of him or individual pictures to piece him togeather. The reasoning is so I can put togeather a kit based on his suit of armour. Thus large, detailed pictures would be best. I am also interested in what kind of visor his bascinet used...if any. If anyone can post pics or a website, I would be much abliged. Once again, thanks in advance

Strongbow · Post by **Strongbow** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:20 pm

This is a bad picture of it:

http://www.tewkesburyabbey.org.uk/msg15.htm

There is a better (but still not great) picture in Osprey's "Poitiers 1356."

If I get a chance, I'll try to scan it in tonight.

Strongbow

Torr O'Neal · Post by **Torr O'Neal** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:49 pm

Thanks much Strongbow. I haven't seen that one yet. And thanks in advance for the scaned picture as well.

T. Finkas · Post by **T. Finkas** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 2:41 pm

Is this close enough?

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/finkas/STUDBUCKLE/Hughs.bmp[/img]

:wink:

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 3:51 pm

I'd heard he was 'rail thin' but,... :roll:

sebastian · Post by **sebastian** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:54 pm

And obviously very picky.

Karl · Post by **Karl** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:30 pm

Sebastian wrote:And obviously very picky.

*****falls out of chair laughing*!*!*!*!*

HugoFuchs · Post by **HugoFuchs** » Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:59 pm

http://vrcoll.fa.pitt.edu/medart/image/ ... -main.html

Ernst · Post by **Ernst** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:33 am

I suppose this begs the question of which Hugh's armor you wish to emulate. Both seem vile individuals.

T. Finkas · Post by **T. Finkas** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:47 am

StudBuckle wrote:Is this close enough?

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/finkas/STUDBUCKLE/Hughs.bmp[/img]

I think my example was executed mainly in stainless with some mild steel or even brass parts that have been chrome plated. Since the opening is less than an inch, the Marshals should pass it.

Klaus the Red · Post by **Klaus the Red** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:26 am

Can anyone identify the lower effigy in this black and white Victorian drawing? There's something interesting going on with the hip armor- it looks two plates hinged together vertically, reminiscent of Bashford Dean's corazina "reconstruction" in the Met...

Klaus

[img]http://vrcoll.fa.pitt.edu/medart/image/England/tewkesbury/tewk-tombs/Despenser-Tomb/Effegy-s.jpg[/img]

Cet · Post by **Cet** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:58 am

Hi Klause,

The lower image is from the Abbey Church of Tewksbury. Stothard states that there is no date or record of who is represented availble.

In my copy of Stothard tha closure looks more like a button closure on the jupon rather than a cOP of some sort. The sculpted drape of the gament doesn't suggest underlying plates to me.

Klaus the Red · Post by **Klaus the Red** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:26 am

Thanks, Cet- it's hard to tell in the image, since the closures are rather fuzzy at this resolution. I can tell it's draped fabric above the belt, but the lower part suggests rigid plate to me.

Karl Helweg · Post by **Karl Helweg** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:07 pm

Master Domingo & I traveled to Tewksbury to take pictures of this unique kneeling effigy. It is located high on top of a crypt. Since there was construction going on then we ask the "vikor" if we could move a ladder over to get level shots and he rudely replied: "We don't even allow English photographers to do that!" Just our luck that the only non-friendly person we would meet in England was this one. Domingo climbed on my shoulders but that still didn't show much well except that his jupon semed to be closed on the sides and the closure covered with a vertical row of square metal plates similar to real knights' belts. I'll check and see if Domingo's pictures are worth scanning. ALL English effigies are skinny and wasp waisted.

Klaus the Red · Post by **Klaus the Red** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:14 pm

his jupon semed to be closed on the sides and the closure covered with a vertical row of square metal plates similar to real knights' belts.

Interesting- perhaps that's what we're seeing on the lower portion of the unidentified effigy's surcoat, the thingies which kind of look like hinges on plate...

Klaus

Karl Helweg · Post by **Karl Helweg** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:17 pm

No, these were larger, maybe 1 1/4" square and butted up against each other as if to hides laces or maybe they were actually hooked like a row western cowboy belt buckles. Fairly elaborate casting on them like a knight's belt but all looked the same.

Brian W. Rainey · Post by **Brian W. Rainey** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:20 pm

Klaus the Red wrote:Thanks, Cet- it's hard to tell in the image, since the closures are rather fuzzy at this resolution. I can tell it's draped fabric above the belt, but the lower part suggests rigid plate to me.

I would doubt highly that the lower portion of the lower effigy is rigid plate.

As Cet has pointed out, the sculpted flow most undoubtedly depicts cloth over mail, in that instance.

Klaus the Red · Post by **Klaus the Red** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:27 pm

Oh, I agree- it just looks confusingly like it. The little metal latchet-objects, if that's what we're seeing, explain part of the resemblance.

Klaus

Wanted: Pic of Sir Hugh Despenser (Tewkesbury Abbey)

Wanted: Pic of Sir Hugh Despenser (Tewkesbury Abbey)

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