Renntartsche construction

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:55 pm

I was just thinking about a jousting exchange piece in the RA. It is caled a Renntarsh and goes over a bevor and a breastplate. Does anyone know anything about the construction details of these things? It looks like leather bu i'm not sure. The edge looks very similar to the edge of a pavise in the RA. The guard is about 2" thick at the neck. Any info is helpful as this is all from memory. Thanks.

RalphS · Post by **RalphS** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 5:01 am

The spelling I'm familiar with is "targe". I've seen various forms of it, varying from highly decorated shields with horn (?) inlay, to the version which is thick and black and covers the entire left side of the armour from the saddle up to the eyeslit of the rennhut. I'm not too familiar with the terminology though, I can imagine that various forms have their own names.

Is this the kind you had in mind?:
http://www.astro.lu.se/~ralph/pics/tmp_ ... age045.jpg

If it's the full covering of the left side, my guess is that it should have a matching vamplate for the lance, something along these lines:
http://www.astro.lu.se/~ralph/pics/tmp_ ... age050.jpg

I can't help with construction details of the targe/tarsh, I'm curious myself too.

For some good hits on this subject, do a google search on "scharfrennen".

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:11 am

I talked it over with Patrick and Brian in chat and it is made of wood and leather with ametal covering or just painted. The second image is the one i am on about, i have never seen one with the metal covering on it though. I have only seen the RA one. Thansk for the pics, got anymore?

Ivo · Post by **Ivo** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:23 pm

Hello.

I think the used the German term for this jousting shield, it is called "Renntartsche", "Tartsche" being used for several types of shields. A pavise, if not called "Pavese", is also labelled "Setztartsche".
"Tartsche" usually os used for rectangular types of shields as opposed to the usually round scottish targe.

Regards

Ivo

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:31 pm

Thank you for the lesson in shield names, i spelt it phonetically becuase i couldn't remember the spelling. May i ask where you got your information?

Ivo · Post by **Ivo** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:37 pm

Hello.

Guess Why I sometimes add "SmartassNativeSpeaker(TM)" to my signature?
I am German, born and bred :lol:

Regards

Ivo

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:38 pm

I know that but i didn't think that jousting terms were tought in German schools or have i been misled?

Ivo · Post by **Ivo** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:01 pm

Hello.

Well...there are books on arms, armour and even tournaments available in German, simple as that :lol:

Unfortunately I never learned a thing about arms and armour at school...including that, history lessons could have been fun.
So I had to read and learn all of that stuff myself. Besides, I am 31 years old and finished school back in 1994. All I know about arms and armour comes from what is in my bookshelves- and from the Archive, of course- which in turn sometimes gives me recommenations that make me buy more books...and tools...sometimes I think heroin is cheaper in the long run :lol:

But seriously, the categories of shields come from several sources, a German book by an Austrian named Harry KÃƒÂ¼hnel ( a little dictionary of armour and costume terms), the catalogues from Vienna and various other books, English ones among them.

Regards

Ivo

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:06 pm

OK, i am looking for a copy of Armorum Gloassarium( is that right Brian?). it is comprised of ten book 9 of which have terms in 9 different languages ot cross reference. and the tenth wiht a nifty little picture book. I will let you off then. i might make a pavise instead as this is easier and easier to sell on.