the making of a suit in pictures

RalphS · Post by **RalphS** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:48 am

Just a wild guess: upcoming ARS conference and raffle sallet perhaps?

Brian W. Rainey · Post by **Brian W. Rainey** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:00 am

It looks like Patrick has been VERY busy, indeed:

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... 098#640098

His eye for the correct shape never ceases to amaze me. The man has talent, no doubt.

Wilhelm zu Eltz-Kempenich · Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:43 am

There's nothing I can say that hasn't been said already. Just know that I hold you in very high regard. Amazing work.

critter · Post by **critter** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:38 pm

GIMME A B
GIMME A U
GIMME A M
GIMME A P

WHATZ THAT SPELL...

MORE ARMOUR PORN PLEASE :lol:

Destichado · Post by **Destichado** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:07 pm

Okay, I have a question for whenever Mr. Patrick comes back to this thread.

When you're forming the piece and you wind up with excess, as one always would with something like a helmet -or those gauntlets- ...what do you use to trim it? The beverly handles curves on flat metal very well, but somthing bent? Not so much.

So, how to trim?

Jan van Nyenrode · Post by **Jan van Nyenrode** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:53 pm

You can see it in his proces pictures of an armet he made a year or so ago. If i'm not mistaken he uses a cold chisel. Best tool for the job.

Cheers

Max

Justin Andrews · Post by **Justin Andrews** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:24 am

Destichado, I cannot speak for Patrick, but I use a set of hand nibblers for trimming formed pieces. I find it a rather useful cutting tool to keep around.

Ahriman · Post by **Ahriman** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:57 am

I always use an angle grinder with abrasives, preferably flap disks... they are extremely precise. IMHO, at least. But I'm an idiot, I use angle grinders for almost everything. Cheaper than a beverly, and you can make swords with it as well as cutting 1" thick steel with it.

Destichado · Post by **Destichado** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:22 am

See, there's so many ways -all of them labor intensive, most of them a real pain in the ass. That's why I'm curious as to how Patrick does it -he seems to have a lot of it to do, and I'm hoping for a better way.

Mike F · Post by **Mike F** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:33 am

It might not be quick. Patrick does stuff right, even if it takes a while.

That being said, I seem to recall him duscussing a sallet he raised without cutting the front, simply by raising at a different angle.

Jan van Nyenrode · Post by **Jan van Nyenrode** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:36 am

This is a progress shot from Patrick Thaden. The Armet I told you about.

Cheers

Max

Destichado · Post by **Destichado** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:01 am

Okay, THAT does not look like it's been cold-chiseled. I just cut out a pair of calipers from 10 guage sheet this afternoon, and I assure you that nice clean edge wasn't the resut.
If Patrick tells us that's how he cut it... let's just say I'm going to have a LOT of questions.

Doug Confere · Post by **Doug Confere** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:03 am

There is a thread on here, a little old, on getting a nice smooth edge with a cold chisel. It takes practice.

Destichado · Post by **Destichado** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:34 am

Yes, yes, I've done it. It takes a sharp chisel and a vice that's well alligned with smooth jaws, and a steady angle. That's nothing new -other than they don't often come together at any one time.

No, *I* want to know how he got the bloody thing in the vice. Or if not a vice, what held the helmet to produce the shearing effect? I love my 6", but there's no way it would ever hold a helmet. With all respect, gentlemen, I'll prefer to wait for Patrick to come back to the thread.

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:38 am

As is shown in the pic of the armet skull I will use a chisel when the need is there. The armets front is partially cut and was done with the chisel this is 14g right there at the front and it only takes 4-5 minutes to cut off about 8" of length a little file work or a quick pass with a grinder will then clean off the line real nice, the straight line as your looking at the hat was also cut but has already been filed or ground in (I probably ground it in

) the notches for the hinges were also chiseled out, this is really quick when you first hacksaw the vertical lines then remove the section with the chisel. I do have other means to trim things. I'll use the beverly when I can then the chisel and last resort the plazma cutter, I'll only use this when I need to on helmets as it usually requires more clean up than the other two methods. Patrick

Charles the Brown · Post by **Charles the Brown** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:24 pm

But what about the armor porn!!!! :sad:

matthijs · Post by **matthijs** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:25 am

Destichado, When cutting with a chisel you make a notch in the metal about 1/2-2/3 of the thickness of the metal and then you break it off. The latter part is where the vice comes in. The cutting is done on an anvil or a stake, which supports the back of the section youÃ‚Â´re cutting, not just the metal on one side of the cut.

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:19 pm

Here you addicts go a new pic

the start of a sallet to go with the suit I'll need to trim in around the face opening and will go ahead and do that with a chisel and show what it looks like when I do it this way. It's really not bad and far less noisy than a jigsaw or angle grinder wich will both work. I don't like loud noises and this is the quietest way next to the plazma cutter. Patrick

raistlin_majere100 · Post by **raistlin_majere100** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:55 am

YEA!!!!!!! More armour porn!!! :twisted:

I think the more detail you give us on the raising of the sallet to go with this suite the better. I, myself, plan on learning the raising technique and raising my own lobster tail sallet someday.

Keep 'em comming!

Murdock · Post by **Murdock** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:55 am

Just a litlle reminder hat i have no talent

I am sooooo envious

patric · Post by **patric** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:14 pm

hey, patrick

what ever happened to that 18 gauge open faced sallet that you had at centaur at that ARS workshop. i really really really liked it and oh man did i ever want it. you talked to me that day about how you raised it, and i tried myself. i raised one over a ball that i made out of a round dumbell. it didnt turn out nearly as pretty as yours....

patric

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:56 pm

Ah, here we go again

Sorry it's been so long, went off to a wedding and then did some huricane repair in Louisiana helping out a buddy there. Back on the ball though and should be working to get the rest of this finished before christmas, baring anything wierd happening

Here are a couple pics of the hat coming along a bit further.

It'll need a little trimming and a bit more shaping, but it's coming along.
Patric, I believe Doug Strong has that hat. Have to ask him about it :?:

More to come

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:39 pm

Way cool.... You make that steel look like clay in your hands.
Sure am enjoying the pics, thanks.

Hal

Mike F · Post by **Mike F** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:07 pm

And this is why I'm not a professional.

What size ball are you using for the helm?

patric · Post by **patric** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:22 pm

yeah, i wasnt really expecting you to just have that helm sitting around waiting to ship off to some poor teenager...

oh, and while im typing, ive been wodering, what kind of forge are you using for this helm?

thanks,

patric

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:00 pm

Here is another pic only got a bit of time on it today. Patrick

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:00 pm

Little bit more shape

patric · Post by **patric** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:06 pm

hey, patrick,

how thick is that steel your raising that from?

i wanna know if i should buy 16 or 14 gauge, and is it just mild steel or does if have some reasonable carbon content?

thanks,

patric

RalphS · Post by **RalphS** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:46 am

Oh man! That looks so not Italian!

But the customer is always right...
Beautiful lines, as always!

Makes me want to drop by again and come play some more.

knitebee · Post by **knitebee** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:44 am

WOW, I hope one day I can do a helm like this. The number of photos you're posting is very insitefull to how to progress through the shaping, thanks.

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:22 pm

here are a couple more pics, pretty close to trimming it all the way in. Also a few pics of the stakes I used as well as the hammer that was used for the bulk of the raising work.

The helmet started as a 14g blank, I don't recall how big, I just told my shop helper to cut out a circle about so big on a piece of steel I had handy :roll:

This one is a low carbon steel, nothing special, atleast I don't think so.

Ralph, your always welcome here, and yep, a very german styled hat. Patrick

Nick D · Post by **Nick D** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:36 pm

Did that start out as a circle shaped piece or a teardrop?

Charles the Brown · Post by **Charles the Brown** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:07 am

I think he just said circle :shock:

lorenzo2 · Post by **lorenzo2** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:03 pm

Do I understand correctly from the picture that you do your helmet raising with a round faced hammer? Now that is both surprising and enlightening. What advantage do you find in raising with a round faced hammer?

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:13 am

This is the hammer I like to use, but it broke, not sure but maybee a 500g hammer?
[img]Tfacedhammerpic[/img]
It's just a automotive fender hammer, it's just handy to use and has a nice feel.

This is actually the hammer I used for the bulk of the ARS sallet
[img]roundinghammerpic[/img]
It's just a two pound sledge I got at home depot a number of years ago, nothing special

The hammer I raised this hat with was the flat end of the ballpein hammer in the other pic, advantages or disadvantages.... you could raise with a rock if you wanted to, doesn't matter that much with this stuff, if your trying to stretch the metal a lot in particular directions a more crosspein or T shaped hammer helps a lot, but is not an absolute necessity, there are other ways. I had no problems with this hat using the flatter end of the ball pein.
We'll I guess we'll see what gets done today

. Patrick