My New Visor(pics)

Edric · Post by **Edric** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:07 pm

I'm so excited!! This is my new visor by Patrick Thaden. It is raised and not welded.
The helm is and anshelm bascinet I bought off ebay about 6 months ago.

I'll have a full review when I actually get it, but if it looks half as good as it does in the pictures expect nothing but shining remarks.

Look under past works folder, in the globose.

Http://photos.yahoo.com/patrick_thaden2001

it was based off this illustration taken from an illumination from the end of the 14th century(last few years)

[img]http://www.edricsrose.com/helm1.jpg[/img]

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[This message has been edited by Edric (edited 02-23-2002).]

Steve S. · Post by **Steve S.** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 2:05 pm

Beautiful! A bit to bulbous for my taste, but it's so great to see these visors done in one piece instead of welded!

Steve

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Dmitriy · Post by **Dmitriy** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 2:08 pm

Wow, that is perfect!

Otto von Teich · Post by **Otto von Teich** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 5:07 pm

Looks great, I also like the Maximillian helm with the bellows visor,who made that rascal? Thanks in advance, otto

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 6:51 pm

Otto: Patrick Thaden.

Otto von Teich · Post by **Otto von Teich** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 7:13 pm

Well then, Patrick you do great work!...otto

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 11:47 pm

Very nice. I like it more without the sharp point on the illustrated version. That looks like a complex visor to make. He has nice crisp lines on the bellows visor, too. I'm impressed.

sarnac · Post by **sarnac** » Sun Feb 24, 2002 11:14 am

Does he have a web site?

cheval · Post by **cheval** » Sun Feb 24, 2002 11:31 am

I know that style *grin*...

http://home.earthlink.net/~courageux/Upload/sm_roundface.jpg

Steve, how do you know the historical ones were not welded? There is evidence that bascinets and the faceplates were begun from a welded cone and then finished. When Valerius built this one, he welded a cone, and then raised it down to a round-face, making it -very- thick in the middle compared to the edge (as opposed to sinking it, which would have made it much thinner in the middle with respect to the edge). I'ld be interested to know if you have better information that contradicts this.

With respect... -c-

Edric · Post by **Edric** » Sun Feb 24, 2002 7:42 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by sarnac:
Does he have a web site?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.thadenpierce.com/armor/

Eventually a scale aventail will be added to this by the way. I will also be adding etched brass to the top and sides of the visor. Progress will of course be posted to the archive.

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Flos est puellarum, quam diligio, et rosa rosarum, quam sepe video.
"My love is a flower among virgins, and a rose among roses"

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Sun Feb 24, 2002 10:48 pm

Thank you all for the kind words. Edric, I will have it in the mail to you tomorrow morning. Patrick

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chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Sun Feb 24, 2002 10:57 pm

Hi Cheval,

Last I checked, there has been no proof for the theory of forge welding on bascinets and their visors. The Litton Bascinet in the RA was given a surface examination, but there was no conclusive evidence for the theory. They had talked about some more exhaustive tests at some future point, but nothing has been done to my knowledge - likely due to a lack of funding.

Not that it is a bad theory. I believe in the theory enough that I let Mac weld the bowl of the chapel de fer he is working on for me - it has a high point, and so he has raised the bowl out of a cone. The method worked well. In the end though, we just don't have conclusive proof yet.

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Lynxicanus · Post by **Lynxicanus** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 11:23 am

That helmet is perfect for blowing bubbles while fighting.... though I would not suggest chewing gum while involved in strenuous activity of any sort. It would keep the bubble safe from harm though.

Mike

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 12:03 pm

As I understand it, part of the problem with determining the use of forge welding in bascinet construction is that you really need to cut a slice out of the piece in question. I can understand why they haven't volunteered any 600 year old helmets for that...

In any cace, they probably wouldn't have used a weld for a round- faced visor. It's useful for pointy stuff, though.

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Prince Of Darkmoor · Post by **Prince Of Darkmoor** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 1:01 pm

Very nice helmet, indeed!

Edric · Post by **Edric** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 1:31 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Prince Of Darkmoor:
Very nice helmet, indeed!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya I really didn't want to go with the generic SCA globose visor, yet I didn't want a pig face either.

When I saw this style in a few illuminations, I knew I would have one one day.

I would like to thank the United States Staford loan system for helping me finance this comission.

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--Edric de Aldebury--
edric@edricsrose.com
http://www.edricsrose.com

Flos est puellarum, quam diligio, et rosa rosarum, quam sepe video.
"My love is a flower among virgins, and a rose among roses"

Stoffel · Post by **Stoffel** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 2:45 pm

[q]I would like to thank the United States Staford loan system for helping me finance this comission. [/q]
yes, a great marval of the education system! It bought my beverly for me as well as lots of new pretty tools that I just couldnt live without, like my mig welder.

and to think, I get another one in a few months!

Edric · Post by **Edric** » Thu Feb 28, 2002 10:47 pm

Got the helm in yesterday. Looks great as in the pics. Will post a full review with personal pics in the next few days.

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--Edric de Aldebury--
edric@edricsrose.com
http://www.edricsrose.com

Flos est puellarum, quam diligio, et rosa rosarum, quam sepe video.
"My love is a flower among virgins, and a rose among roses"