Grozer Turkish "base" bow w/accessories For Sale!

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:42 am

Hello everyone,

Because I don't use it much, since archery isn't my thing, like I thought it would be, I've decided to sell my Csaba Grozer made Turkish Base bow. The Base series utilizes fiberglass in order to ensure a solid but affordable construction for Grozer's bows.

The sale includes the bow, quiver, 6 functional arrows, an arrow with no head, an eighth arrow with a broken nock, a pair of extra broadheads, 3 strings, the bow case, and a thumb ring. The arrows are the finest Grozer offers, and have horn nocks and goose fletching, I believe. Three of the working arrows have practice tips, while the other three have aging broadheads. One of the practice tips is slightly crushed on the tip, from hitting a bad target (or, rather, missing the appropriate one).

This bow has only been used for a dozen hours or so of shooting, and has been strung for that time, plus for costuming on a couple of occassions. Overall, it is very new. It has the three strings with it, all which I'd suggest waxing before further use, since they haven't been in quite a while! The thumb ring is a medium size, and is big on my 16 year old thumb. The bow has a cloth bag to store it in that ties at one end.

The quiver is an over-the-back type, with adjustable fittings on it, and is all leather, made by Grozer. It's in splendid condition, and is just a bit dusty on the inside, but I'll be sure to vacuum it out before I ship 'er out!

The bow draws 40 lbs. at 28" draw. It was purchased for target shooting, and does that just dandy! I'm sure it could also be used for small game hunting, as well. The beautiful paint job also makes it really attractive for faires and such things, and when I wore it with a couple of outfits to events, I got lots and lots of compliments (and people asking what booth I'd gotten it from... Ha!)

Here are the specs for it, from Grozer's page.

total length: 51 1/2"
length between siyahs: 34 1/2"
length strung: 44 1/2"
draw weight: 30-60#
max. draw length: 30"
brace height: 8"

I personally paid $550 for this bow and the additional pieces, and that was before the Euro began to dominate so much. I also had to wait four months for completion. A current 45 Euros are now required to get the paint on the bow, which would bring todays price, at my USD/EU pay rate two years ago, to about $600.

I'm offering the set for $450 to begin with.

Any serious offers can be made! Please post here, or send me a PM if you're interested.

I'm using the money to help put together my first SCA kit, so I'm really in a tight spot trying to work on my current budget! A buyer would really help me along on my journey to joining the SCA, and I'd love for this bow to get an owner that can appreciate the fine quality of this bow more than I currently do!

Thank you.

-Gregory-

PICTURES:

[img]http://yoyofreak.net/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3026[/img]
The whole set, sans the two extra broadheads.

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Bow unstrung.

[img]http://yoyofreak.net/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3028[/img]
Bow strung.

[img]http://yoyofreak.net/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3029[/img]
Handle detail.

[img]http://yoyofreak.net/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3030[/img]
Arm detail.

[img]http://yoyofreak.net/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3031[/img]
Siyah detail.

[img]http://yoyofreak.net/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3032[/img]
Heads on the six functional arrows.

[img]http://yoyofreak.net/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3034[/img]
Fletching on the six functional arrows

[img]http://yoyofreak.net/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3035[/img]
Broken arrow head and broken nock on the 7th and 8th arrows.

[img]http://yoyofreak.net/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3036[/img]
The two extra broadheads.

[img]http://yoyofreak.net/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3037[/img]
The three strings and thumb ring.

[img]http://yoyofreak.net/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3038[/img]
Front of quiver.

[img]http://yoyofreak.net/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3039[/img]
Back of quiver with strapping detail.

[img]http://yoyofreak.net/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3040[/img]
Me drawing bow at my full draw... Yeah, my posture sucks, don't comment on it! Haha...

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:33 am

Damn, i WANT that bow, alas i have nothing to trade nor money to hand you
:-(

. Need any shields :-)

(probably the only thing you dont need)

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:11 am

*Bump*

Sorry Thomas, no shields needed! I'm still tryin' to get a couple outta' my house, actually. It'll leave me at one unfinished shield, and that'll be it until I get my kite shield made, and then my SCA shield when the time approachs to use it.

Still want $450, but gimme' an offer, if you want, folks!

-Gregory-

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:21 am

Unfortunately, somehow, I don't think my Indian riveted mail shirt is going to cut it, though I've got other random 14th-century bits that could be thrown in the works... (last guys who wanted to trade for it dropped off the face of the earth).

I have several of Grozer's bows, and haven't fired his Turkish. Of the major bow manufacturers in Hungary, I think his bows are definitely the best. (There was another guy who made truly first-rate Turkish bows, but he's out of business now, went back to harp-making).
If anybody's got the cash, I strongly recommend the purchase.

T. Finkas · Post by **T. Finkas** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:36 am

Wow, that's some pretty stuff, Gregory. Did you paint the bow or did it come that way? It's gorgeous!

Cheers,
Tim

Mike Garrett (Orc) · Post by **Mike Garrett (Orc)** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:52 am

Incidentally, can anyone tell me what the dang site urls are for Kassai and Grozer - used to have them can't find them and search engine not cooperating

Assistance appreciated!
Nice bow by the way Greg!

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:56 am

http://www.grozerarchery.com/index_m.htm
http://www.horsebows.com/

Mike Garrett (Orc) · Post by **Mike Garrett (Orc)** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:00 am

Cheers Tom,
The Grozer one is right but the other is a US importer.

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:00 pm

I've never seen an online store in Hungary for Kassai.

Mike Garrett (Orc) · Post by **Mike Garrett (Orc)** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:05 pm

Found it again!
http://www.horsebackarchery.com/
They're in the middle of changing from the last design so it may not all work!

Oswyn_de_Wulferton · Post by **Oswyn_de_Wulferton** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:08 pm

Are you interested in selling off parts of it?

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:44 pm

Russ, thanks for the good words. If you have access, then please send me a picture of your riveted shirt. If it's the MRL style, I may be interested, depending on the condition. I'd really like one that's flattened steel, as well. The reason I'm selling this, in particular, was to get the money for my custom Matuls made aketon/arming cap, and a couple of hundred dollars for a custom riveted aventail for the bascinet I'm having made by Rylak.

Timothy, the bow came painted. That's what costs the additional 45 Euros these days to get added to the bow.

Oswyn, I'm afraid I won't be splitting up the set. Sorry!

Once again, $450, offers accepted for the whole lot, as well, if you can come close to that price, and are nice to me:p

Thanks!

-Gregory-

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:51 pm

I can take pictures of it, no problem. Don't knwo what the MRL style is, though. I guess i"ll have to visit their site and look.

The shirt is damaged from ballistic archery tests, but I have spare links and rivets for its repair on hand. (if it turns otu you're interested, I'll throw in a copy of the research with it).

Really good sale, guys. Well worth it. (I'd LOVE to have it, but 'd also like to see you make the sale...)

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:17 pm

Yeah, I'd be interested in seeing the mail, for sure. Also, what other types of 14th century items do you have that you said you'd be willing to trade?

Also, I was thinking about the idea of separating up the items, and am rather wary of doing so... I'd like to sell the whole thing as a set.

-Gregory-

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:52 pm

Splinted arms (full, pretty good), sabatons by Mad Matt (munitions-level), simple spaulders (nice, leather-bound with rawhide lacing)... I'd have to check to see what else I had on hand. I have an aluminum COP, but that's promised to Marvin, we're both lazy and neither of us has sent our trade yet.*

*I've typid it publicly, now I *have* to get on the stick and put it out the door...

Justin Livio Guidi · Post by **Justin Livio Guidi** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:45 pm

ermmm... bump.

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:03 am

Hey Russ,

I looked at the picture you provided. As much as I'd like to say the offer is appealing, as much as it is tempting, I think I'm gonna' have to hold off. I think getting my order from Matuls is priority, at the moment, so the money is necessary. I think for riveted mail, I may have to save up for a Historic Enterprises piece, because of the awesome look it's got to it. But I'll have to sell some more stuff before I make that order!

Thanks!

-Gregory-

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:23 pm

Hello folks,

I'm going to have to back off of the offer to trade this thing for riveted mail, at the moment... I also won't be splitting up the set for individual pieces to be sold. It will stay together, I hope. The arrows were made specifically for the bow, as was the rest of the stuff. I'm still hoping for the $450.

I've edited the trade/split offers out of my previous posts, so that it isn't confusing for anyone who jumps in here late.

-Gregory-

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:05 am

Good luck, it's well worth it.

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:24 pm

*Bump*

Boy, I'd really like to place that order soon... I wonder who'll come up to take this baby off of my hands... Hmmmm...

-Gregory-

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:56 pm

My lamellar and your bow... wouldn't they go great together?

Come on, guys, this is a very sweet bow.

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:46 pm

Total Teenage Bumpidy, bump, bump, bump!

-Gregory-

William Freskyn Murray · Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:51 pm

Gregory,

I've forwarded info on this to a few Aethelmearc archers to see if they are interested, hopefully I can find someone up here for it cause this is a beautiful bow just not my style.

Will

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:54 pm

Wow Will, thank you so much for the forward! I'm just now going to put up my second thread for this, over on the Sword Forum International. So far it's only been in here. I was hoping to sell it to someone who frequents here, since this is the "main" forum I visit.

But, It's time to open up the range!

-Gregory-

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:53 am

Gregory, you might look into posting this on some Archery Forums. You might get better luck posting it in a more "target rich environmnent".

Just an idea

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:58 am

Hey Irish,

As much as I've thought about that, I really don't frequent any archery forums. I'd rather not join a forum, rush in and sell something, and then not come back. I also wouldn't have anyone who could "trust" that I actually go through with transactions, etc...

But, thanks for the idea! It might just come down to that, really!

-Gregory-