My new legs (progress pics)

WaaaghBoss · Post by **WaaaghBoss** » Thu May 05, 2005 1:47 pm

Just thought I would share these. They are supposed to be finished next week (wich is fine, as I will not have money to finish paying for them until June).

[img]http://ageofarmour.com/progress/milanlegsprogress1.jpg[/img]

Here is a pic of the original:
[img]http://ageofarmour.com/progress/legoriginal.jpg[/img]

They are Italian export legs. My armour is a German & Italian export composite harness. I am going for an English persona, just past the WOTR (1490 or so).

These legs are made by William Hurt III, at www.ageofarmour.com. Figured I better give him credit, as there is no way I am that good!
I am working on a pair of pauldrons (exchange pieces to replace the spaulders on my current arms)- hopefully they turn out half as nice as the stuff William makes.

~Kevin

Ceramite · Post by **Ceramite** » Thu May 05, 2005 3:12 pm

I really like his work, those are nice legs man!!
........... I will never say that again

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Thu May 05, 2005 3:39 pm

You have some beautiful legs. William does some superb stuff

WaaaghBoss · Post by **WaaaghBoss** » Thu May 05, 2005 3:48 pm

Thomas and Ceramite-

Yes, the legs are sweet. Can't wait to try them on. Can you tell from the pics that I have long skinny legs? LOL!

Too bad that the legs will make my arms look cheap. They are also made by William, but they were done quickly and for very little money- not to mention that was a number of years ago. I think I may need to get new ones from him to better match the quality. Will have to be next year though...

My armour budget for the year has been used up between these legs and the sallet he is making me.

~Kevin

James B. · Post by **James B.** » Thu May 05, 2005 4:03 pm

Those are damn nice looking legs, you know in a manly kind of way :wink:

Josh W · Post by **Josh W** » Thu May 05, 2005 5:05 pm

It sounds as if you're doing the same thing I did in order to acquire a decent, fairly accurate harness of plate. My suit is about half Patrick Thaden pieces, and about half the work of lesser armourers, notably myself.

What else are you wearing with these legs, the sallet, and your "cheap" arms?

Samuel · Post by **Samuel** » Thu May 05, 2005 6:04 pm

you could go with somethng like JP wears... with the german elbows over top a shirt that hides your vambraces and rebraces...
save you the suffering over the ugly arms...

Old Man · Post by **Old Man** » Thu May 05, 2005 6:20 pm

Looks like you are getting a mighty fine pair of legs yong man.

Sasuke · Post by **Sasuke** » Thu May 05, 2005 7:08 pm

Sweet! You are a lucky man.

Chris

Magmaforge · Post by **Magmaforge** » Thu May 05, 2005 11:53 pm

Kevin, are the legs mild? Stainless? What gauge?
-Mag

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Fri May 06, 2005 12:33 am

[quote="WaaaghBoss"Too bad that the legs will make my arms look cheap. They are also made by William, but they were done quickly and for very little money- not to mention that was a number of years ago. I think I may need to get new ones from him to better match the quality. Will have to be next year though...

~Kevin[/quote]

Blackmail. Tell him that you will tell everyone he made the arms. ;-)

Well, I left Kentucky back in '49
An' went to Detroit workin' on a 'sembly line
The first year they had me puttin' wheels on cadillacs

Every day I'd watch them beauties roll by
And sometimes I'd hang my head and cry
'Cause I always wanted me one that was long and black.

One day I devised myself a plan
That should be the envy of most any man
I'd sneak it out of there in a lunchbox in my hand
Now gettin' caught meant gettin' fired
But I figured I'd have it all by the time I retired
I'd have me a car worth at least a hundred grand.

William does some awesome work.

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Fri May 06, 2005 12:42 am

[quote="WaaaghBoss"Too bad that the legs will make my arms look cheap. They are also made by William, but they were done quickly and for very little money- not to mention that was a number of years ago. I think I may need to get new ones from him to better match the quality. Will have to be next year though...

~Kevin[/quote]

Blackmail. Tell him that you will tell everyone he made the arms. ;-)

Well, I left Kentucky back in '49
An' went to Detroit workin' on a 'sembly line
The first year they had me puttin' wheels on cadillacs

Every day I'd watch them beauties roll by
And sometimes I'd hang my head and cry
'Cause I always wanted me one that was long and black.

One day I devised myself a plan
That should be the envy of most any man
I'd sneak it out of there in a lunchbox in my hand
Now gettin' caught meant gettin' fired
But I figured I'd have it all by the time I retired
I'd have me a car worth at least a hundred grand.

William does some awesome work.

WaaaghBoss · Post by **WaaaghBoss** » Fri May 06, 2005 10:12 am

Well I suppose I should put the "ugly" arms in context. They are still pretty freaking nice, but not as nice as William's more recent and more time consuming stuff.

To quote him- "Those arms were probably made faster than just the hinges took on this one leg hehe. Naw thats a bit of an exaggeration but probably not too far off hehe." They are still pretty nice- nicer than probably 85% of the steel arms out there, just some shortcuts were taken in the construction. They really don't need to be hidden, they just aren't up to the quality of the legs.

The vambrace is a 3/4 wrap with no hinge. The rerebrace is only about a half wrap and is rivetted to the spaulder. The pointed gothic elbows are very nice and shapely, but they are welded rather than raised.

They also only cost about 25% as much as the legs...

They are all mild steel.

I will be wearing with these arms, legs and the helm (once it is complete)-
a pair of cased greaves in stainless and a pair of MRL German Gothic mitten gaunts. I will be replacing the arms and gaunts next year with much nicer stuff. Probably have William or Jeffrey Hedgecock make the new arms. I will be making some pauldrons very close to the Sigismond pauldrons- these will be interchangable with the spaulders that I have. I haven't made much armour, but the pattern I have is excellent. It is from William Hurt also- see the Sigismond suit on his site! Mine will be lacking most of the file and pierce work, but will have some brass trim.

Oh, and I have this curaiss coming (should be here Monday):
[img]http://home.armourarchive.org/members/winter/armour/cuirass.jpg[/img]

It also doesn't look as nice as the legs, but I will be having Gruber give it the once over. Per the measurements I got, the arm openings will need to be moved in about 1/2". I will be also adding a joust specific re-enforce to the curaiss, as the 16ga spring steel is just a touch too thin for competetive jousting. At the moment I will only be doing shows and no competition so not a big concern yet.

I also have a German visored Kettle helm that I will be wearing with this until the sallet is done. Unless I sell it (to help pay for all this stuff)- in that case I will be wearing my friend's close helm.

~Kevin

PS- this will be used for jousting, and not for SCA combat.

WaaaghBoss · Post by **WaaaghBoss** » Fri May 06, 2005 11:27 am

Just a couple more pics to keep you drooling...

[img]http://ageofarmour.com/progress/milanlegsprogress2.jpg[/img]

[img]http://ageofarmour.com/progress/milanlegsprogress3.jpg[/img]

I have asked for these legs unstrapped, just to save a little money.
Got an email from William this AM, that they should be done in a day or two.

~K

Otto von Teich · Post by **Otto von Teich** » Fri May 06, 2005 12:13 pm

Ohhhh, those are nice, cant wait to see them up close!...Otto

lorenzo2 · Post by **lorenzo2** » Fri May 06, 2005 2:44 pm

Waaagh;

Would it be possible to show a pic or two of the legs from the inside when you get them?

WaaaghBoss · Post by **WaaaghBoss** » Fri May 06, 2005 2:48 pm

Lorenzo-
Will do. William may send some, he is going to post more progress pics in the next day or two, and I will post them here.
He told me it was OK for me to post these pics here- he doesn't have time (too busy making armour).
~Kevin

Aldwyn of Lancashire · Fri May 06, 2005 8:12 pm

WaaaghBoss,
As everyone has already said, those are SWEET lookin' legs! William does superb work. I own Hurt knees w/ brass trim and damn sexy greaves as well!!!!
They really make my mid-14th C. harness look fine!
Good luck with your harness.

WaaaghBoss · Post by **WaaaghBoss** » Thu May 12, 2005 11:53 am

Oh man this really really sucks.

Got an email from William this morning.

He is probably going to keep these legs for himself.

Sucks, although they are so pretty I can hardly blame him.

He also can't be sure to get my new helm done in time for my deadline (when I asked about the helm, I thought I would need it by March. Now I need it in January).

Damn, it's breakin' my heart. Still trying to talk him into selling to me.

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Thu May 12, 2005 12:48 pm

So he keeps your legs? i take it you're getting your money back?

WaaaghBoss · Post by **WaaaghBoss** » Thu May 12, 2005 1:29 pm

William does not take any money up front for orders.

He then gives you the option to purchase what he has made once it is done-

Read the policy here:

http://www.ageofarmour.com/order.html

Sucks, but he made these legs as a favor to me... now he has decided he will probably keep them.

Damn.

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Thu May 12, 2005 1:34 pm

Oh righ, fair enough. they are pretty nice, i'd have a hard time parting with them. I wish someone would do me some legs as a favour

WaaaghBoss · Post by **WaaaghBoss** » Thu May 12, 2005 1:54 pm

Yeah, pretty crazy. I just wish he would part with them.

He made them for me to joust in a show, because the guys I joust with have known him since he first started making armour 10 years ago or so.

They were not done in time for the show (no fault of his, we did not give him near enough notice- only a month or two).

Oh well. I'll give it a couple of weeks of trying to get him to part with them, then look elsewhere for legs.

Sucks.

~K

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Thu May 12, 2005 4:36 pm

I wish i had the cash to buy some of his stuff. Those 14th century arms with the latten border and the Armet catch my eye.

Samuel · Post by **Samuel** » Thu May 12, 2005 4:56 pm

thats kinda crappy.... he doesnt say crap about " if I like them and DONT wanna sell them cause im a jerk, even though it was your interest and desire to have the armor in question that lead to the creation of the armor....."

just me but there is NO WAY IN HELL id ever contact this guy about any armor id want.... quality dont mean jack if you dont end up getting what you want...

I think u been craped on waaghboss... It was your query that spawned him working on these legs. they where made with your measurements in mind.... your willing to pay the asking price for them..... and HELLO HE CAN MAKE ANOTHER FRICKIN SET....

Lame ass way to do "business"

IMO anyone who orders from this guy ( order loosely used) in the future.. well your a fool...

it doesnt matter how good an armorer he is if he screws you on your idea and decides " to keep what he makes you"

the real kicker is him sending you pictures.... " look what IM making for you but your NOT gonna get it"

you should forget about him and talk to gruber, patrick thaden someone thats quick dependable and skilled...

Henry of Bexley · Post by **Henry of Bexley** » Fri May 13, 2005 6:47 am

Who made the cuirass?

Frederich Von Teufel · Fri May 13, 2005 10:02 am

Samuel wrote:thats kinda crappy.... he doesnt say crap about " if I like them and DONT wanna sell them cause im a jerk, even though it was your interest and desire to have the armor in question that lead to the creation of the armor....."

just me but there is NO WAY IN HELL id ever contact this guy about any armor id want.... quality dont mean jack if you dont end up getting what you want...

I understand that you feel this way concerning what we know of this situation, but I feel that you are being too reactionary.

I'll point out both sides of this:

WB says that William was doing these as a "favor", that he hadn't given William any money for them yet, and that he wouldn't be able to give William any money before June. From an armourers point of view, I don't see any contract here between them except for a "gentleman's agreement". From what we know of the situation, I don't see that what William is doing is either dishonorable or illegal.

Suppose, for just one moment, that some of what WB has told us is less than the truth (I'm not saying that WB has lied to us, nor do I think this is so, I'm just making a point here.) Since we don't know the story from William's point of view, to begin to make disparaging remarks about him or his business practices would be an egregious error. What if the agreement they had made was that WB would pay in full upon completion, and that if he wasn't able to do so he would lose the right to purchase them? If that had been the situation, would you feel that William was acting honorably then? What if the agreement had been that WB would purchase them only if William didn't want them?

It's very tempting to have a knee-jerk reaction and take either the side of WB or William, but to do so without all the facts would be wrong. If neither WB or William are upset with this situation, then why should you be? If WB isn't disparaging William, then why would you think to?

Let this situation lay, let WB and William work things out between them amicably, and try not to make any judgement about either of them in the mean time. Enjoy the beauty of William's armour; without this thread you wouldn't have had a chance to see a very nice recreation of these legs.

Frederich

WaaaghBoss · Post by **WaaaghBoss** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:46 am

Frederich-

I completely agree with you. And I think it sucks that I am not getting these legs, but I do not hold any hard feelings towards William. I suppose I should not have posted this, other than I was upset at the time, well I am still upset. Not at William, just at I had much anticipation about getting these legs.

No money has changed hands. I was told by William he would try and make me the legs I wanted. He did, and he regretfully has decided he will keep them to complete his joust harness. As he will most likely be jousting with my group, this is all well and good. I do not have all the money available to purchase these legs (they are not done yet). I may still talk William out of them...

I still don't have any legs, but I'll get some. :-)

Cheers! And enjoy a thing of beauty- don't worry about the business dealings between friends. I will get William to make me a pair of legs. It just may not be till next year. That's OK by me.