My new helm with visor.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Sat Apr 06, 2002 10:31 pm

[img]http://www.cox-internet.com/halberds/visordone1.jpg[/img]

Special thanks to the fine historians and the sent pics. This would of not been possible without your help.

Yours truly: Hal the Novice.

To quote, a forum post: "More amateur rubbish".

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sat Apr 06, 2002 11:05 pm

Very nice looking!

Now, is that a 1350 AD English helm? I remember seeing something like it one time, but it's late and I'm studying Epidemiology while surfing the Archive....

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Sat Apr 06, 2002 11:06 pm

Pic # two.

[img]http://www.cox-internet.com/halberds/visordone.jpg[/img]

Visor up.
This is a removable visor with 1/4-20 attachments. I do not think 1/4-20 is period no?

Hal.

Jason Grimes · Post by **Jason Grimes** » Sat Apr 06, 2002 11:42 pm

That helmet looks really good!! Great job! Looking forward to see your next project.

Jason

Raibeart · Post by **Raibeart** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 12:07 am

Sweet!! Good job Hal!

Erik Schmidt · Post by **Erik Schmidt** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 12:26 am

That's a great looking finished product Hal.
Congratulations.

Erik

Karl-Magnus · Post by **Karl-Magnus** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 1:38 am

Hal,

That is a damn fine Hat!

I'll take a stab at what it is and from when like Aaron...I'll go visored Barbute 1450's

I really like the brasswork too.

Regards,

J

RLTW

Egfroth · Post by **Egfroth** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 3:13 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Karl-Magnus:
Hal,

That is a damn fine Hat!

I'll take a stab at what it is and from when like Aaron...I'll go visored Barbute 1450's

I really like the brasswork too.

Regards,

J

RLTW<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nice one, mate. Good to see the finished product. I take it the "outie" breath holes are for better visibility? And as I recall from our previous discussions, this is actually Italian, c. 1320, per a picture by (Fra Angelico?).

Hal, maybe you should put the original picture up so people can compare . . .

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Ned Seagoon: "No."
Bloodnok: "Pity; I was hoping you could tell me . . ."
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Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 11:38 am

Thanks Egfroth, this is the pic Egfroth sent to me.
[img]http://www.cox-internet.com/halberds/visorpic.jpg[/img]

And this is how I will wear it most of the time.
[img]http://www.cox-internet.com/halberds/visordone2.jpg[/img]

(edited to fix code)

[This message has been edited by Halberds (edited 04-07-2002).]

Steve S. · Post by **Steve S.** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 11:51 am

Wow, the execution of the basinet looks flawless to me. I love the brasswork, too!

The visor looks technically great, but to my tastes I don't like it very much!

I'm just not a big fan of that visor style, I guess. Though the more I look at it it kinda grows on me.

Anyway, top-notch craftsmanship, for sure.

Steve

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Effingham · Post by **Effingham** » Sun Apr 07, 2002 8:58 pm

Just wanted to tell you that's a sweet helmet. I think you might have a problem with the way the top of the visor sticks out like that (rather than being more sculpted to the shape of the bowl), but it's pretty darn cool.

Effingham

Mike Odea · Post by **Mike Odea** » Mon Apr 08, 2002 10:57 pm

I just hit Drool factor of 10-beutemous

Ernst · Post by **Ernst** » Tue Apr 09, 2002 12:44 pm

Hal,

It looks like your work has really improved in a short time. I'm pleased to see you branch out beyond spangenhelms too. When you first started work on this helm, the form seemed unusual to me, but it seems that I've run across many more examples in art since youhave brought this one to mind.

I do have one area that bothers me. While I have seen occularia with that flared edge, I have never seen breaths with that "pierced" look before. I suspect that flare around the breaths might catch a weapon, while those around the eyes might deflect one. Is there some example of flared breaths such as you have done which inspired you?

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Tue Apr 09, 2002 10:40 pm

Thanks guys, I don't know what got in to me to taper punch up the breath holes like that. Lack of discipline I guess.
It just looked so flat and plain. I will do better next time. Oh well, another one for the fantasy pile.

Hal. back to the drawing board.

Ps: I think I will try some metal, office wall sculpture. At least helm making has taught me how to dish, planish and weld.

SteelWeaver · Post by **SteelWeaver** » Wed Apr 10, 2002 10:05 am

Impressive!

Calling yourself a novice doesn't do you justice.

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Where are the reasons
That once stood out so clear?
In a haze of compromise
They all seem to disappear

Post by JT » Wed Apr 10, 2002 10:24 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Halberds:
Oh well, another one for the fantasy pile.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd have a hard time calling this "fantasy" based on the image you provided, and the way the helm looks.

It's not an exact copy, but it sure isn't "fantasy" in my book.

-- jt --

Ernst · Post by **Ernst** » Wed Apr 10, 2002 11:32 pm

Hal,

The techique may be perfectly legitimate, I am simply unfamiliar with it being used. Perhaps someone can enlighten us both?

I think it's great work, but it's the only thing that stuck out as possibly needing critiqueing.

Erik Schmidt · Post by **Erik Schmidt** » Wed Apr 10, 2002 11:53 pm

I haven't come across breaths done like that either Ernst, not in the 14th century anyway.

Hal, that was me who sent you that picture, or did I send it to Egfroth and he sent on to you? I don't remember, that was just too long ago.
What have you done for a lining?

Given your obvious talents, I can't wait for the improved, totally period version of that helm.

Erik

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 12:08 am

Me nether. Both of you were instrumental in it's development.

I have scored a 2 ft. by 4 ft. 11 ga. mild steel sheet.

I would now like to make a battle helm.

Hear we go again.

Hal.

Erik Schmidt · Post by **Erik Schmidt** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 3:47 am

"Battle Helm"?
Do you mean a great helm?
I don't know much about them, but there's a great page here;
http://www.liebaart.yucom.be/helm/

Egfroth · Post by **Egfroth** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 4:06 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Erik Schmidt:
I haven't come across breaths done like that either Ernst, not in the 14th century anyway.

Hal, that was me who sent you that picture, or did I send it to Egfroth and he sent on to you? I don't remember, that was just too long ago.
What have you done for a lining?

Given your obvious talents, I can't wait for the improved, totally period version of that helm.

Erik<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Erik, I think you sent it to me, but you may also have sent it to Hal, I can't remember. It's the brain damage from too many head shots . . . Quick, nurse! The Screens!!!

BTW, Hal, I _was_ trying to subtly tell you the breaths shouldn't be "outies" in an earlier post. Maybe I was being TOO subtle (you know me. . . ) Why not just bash the breaths flat again?

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Egfroth

Major Bloodnok, Queen's Forty-Third Deserters (retd.) "Do you know what it's like to be in the thick of a bloody battle, with bullets flying and sabres clashing?"
Ned Seagoon: "No."
Bloodnok: "Pity; I was hoping you could tell me . . ."
see my webpage at www.geocities.com/egfrothos

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:06 pm

Doh! Good idea, I never thought of that. so I did spash them flat on my mushroom with a rawhide hammer. Good thing it is removable. A little touch up sanding and hear is the results.

[img]http://www.cox-internet.com/halberds/halhelm2.jpg[/img]

Hal. I think my spaulders are too big, my first and only ones, you know.

Ernst · Post by **Ernst** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:45 am

Impressive!

Igor of Maguar · Post by **Igor of Maguar** » Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:49 pm

another nice page to recommend

ics of 16 original great helms with sources
Topf- und KÃ¼belhelm des Mittelalters

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Sat Apr 13, 2002 12:08 am

No lining yet, the only lining would be like the one posted. Or glue in blue foam. **ducks** and tapes.

Yes a great helm, I would like to make a great helm out of 11 ga. mild steel. I have the steel. I also got some nice 1/8" by 1" flat strap. A year ago Uryen showed me a pic. A crusader looking helm. I think I am able to make it now.

Too bad I do not have a commission for it. I can always use it for the crusader kit I am working on.

Thanks JT. I went down to the creek and fished out my helm from the junk pile, you said it might not be fantasy, I was trying for historical on this one to tell the truth.
My fantasy helm will have horns. and I will spam you again.

Thanks for the links to the historical helms. That is appreciated.

Hal. See ya next post.

Egfroth · Post by **Egfroth** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 8:02 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Halberds:
Doh! Good idea, I never thought of that. so I did spash them flat on my mushroom with a rawhide hammer. Good thing it is removable. A little touch up sanding and hear is the results.

Hal. I think my spaulders are too big, my first and only ones, you know.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Much better. Those spaulders - do they go all the way down the arm . . . ?

jkm · Post by **jkm** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:49 pm

Hi All,

This is based on the same doco i use for my 1320-1340 kit.

Its good to see another persons interpretation of it. i had mine done plain.

you can see the pistures of it at http://uq.net.au/~zzjmiles/jason_miles%20merc.htm

The site also has the rest of the stuff used in my 1320-1340 kit.

PS how do you include pictures in the replies

Hi Egfroth. Will you be making it to the 1300-1500 Event.

Uryen · Post by **Uryen** » Mon Apr 15, 2002 6:08 pm

what was the helm picture i sent you hal?
if its the one i am thinking. i recently got my act together and scanned the patterns for it.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Tue Apr 16, 2002 12:02 am

Yes Uryen, the great helm with the side bands. I would like to see more of that helm, it would be a good crusaders helm no?
How is your sugarloaf holding up? I bet is pretty grimy by now. Got pics?

Jkm: Thanks for the pics, that is a very nice kit, I am just starting on my kit of that period. I would like to do some of the other armour too. To include pics, use the code [img]place%20url%20here[/img], no spaces.

Egfroth, my man, This is *pic* of kit so far. And the spaulders.

[img]http://www.cox-internet.com/halberds/Hal1.jpg[/img]

I like the Hastings thread, I got a history book totay of the battle of Hastings.

Happy Armouring: Hal.

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Tue Apr 16, 2002 12:16 am

Hal, very nice. I like it better with the flat breaths. Fewer people will be tempted to run after you with blocks of cheese.

At least I wont, so that's one fewer.

Keep up the good work!

Jacob

Egfroth · Post by **Egfroth** » Tue Apr 16, 2002 6:22 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jkm:
Hi All,

This is based on the same doco i use for my 1320-1340 kit.

Its good to see another persons interpretation of it. i had mine done plain.

you can see the pistures of it at http://uq.net.au/~zzjmiles/jason_miles%20merc.htm

The site also has the rest of the stuff used in my 1320-1340 kit.

PS how do you include pictures in the replies

Hi Egfroth. Will you be making it to the 1300-1500 Event.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, as the silly French knigget said "Verra Narce!!" Dunno if I can make it to Brissy. When's it on again?

Hal, those spaulders ARE big, aren't they? Nice overall look, mate.

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Egfroth

Major Bloodnok, Queen's Forty-Third Deserters (retd.) "Do you know what it's like to be in the thick of a bloody battle, with bullets flying and sabres clashing?"
Ned Seagoon: "No."
Bloodnok: "Pity; I was hoping you could tell me . . ."
see my webpage at www.geocities.com/egfrothos