pics of completed spangenhelm kit by Hal and pics of spaulde

taltosh · Post by **taltosh** » Mon May 06, 2002 12:48 am

Hey all, I just posted some new pics on my page. The pics are of the assembled Conical spangenhelm Kit that our very own Halberds made for me as well as pics of a pair or 3 lame spaulders I made a few weeks ago.

The helm is all 14 ga Mild construction and features a leather suspension liner by myself. I still plan on adding a chin strap and eventualy attempt a reconstruction of the same helm in 18ga for boffer fighting.

The spaulders are 18 ga mild, articulated with leather and are my first piece that I am entirely satisfied with as far as plate is concerned.

I'm curently strugling with a pair of 14 cent hourglass 1/2 gaunts using Master Cads' pattern and I still fiddle with the globose breastplate, trying to sweak it to something wearable. More to come, feel free to comment/critique.

pics can be found at Silverthorne Armoury
Tal.

[This message has been edited by taltosh (edited 05-06-2002).]

taltosh · Post by **taltosh** » Mon May 06, 2002 5:48 pm

Bump, no replies, this either means that the work is real good or so bad that folks just die on the spot after looking at the pics.

Templar Bob/De Tyre · Post by **Templar Bob/De Tyre** » Mon May 06, 2002 5:56 pm

Taltosh:

This is the first time I've seen this post. That's probably why not much in the way of a response.

I like both the spaulders and the spangenhelm very much. No hammer marks on them at all (from what I can see from the photo). If you would, could you put some photos of the spangenhelm up showing how you did the suspension liner?

Good work!

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Those who beat their swords into plowshares end up plowing for those who don't.

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taltosh · Post by **taltosh** » Mon May 06, 2002 6:42 pm

T-Bob, I'll look into taking more detailed pictures of the suspension liner and post them on a temp page. Essentially it's a leather band with 6 "flaps" stitched to it and rivited to the helm brow band. The "flaps" each have 3 brass eyelets set in a triangle so that the liner can be adjusted higher or lower on the head with a leather string passing through the eyelets. I haven't based this on any period authentic liners but extrapolated from some of the discussions posted here in the past. I also understand that a spangen or conical helm would more likely be fitted with a padded liner instead of a leather suspension but this does not seem to detract from the appearance of the helm. If anything, the brass eyelets are out of period and would instead have been leather eyelets or just holes punched in the leather. Keep in mind that no research was done on this method of fitting the helm as my goal was not authenticity but instead wearability and the fact that I wanted the helm done for our first battle practice. I have yet to add a chin strap so the heavy bugger wont fall off my head when I'm being chased by a dozen giggling and screaming kids with boffer swords

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Mon May 06, 2002 11:55 pm

Jolly well done Taltosh. Make yourself the Y type of chin strap. Home made buckles are not to hard to do. You did a very good job on your helmet too. Do you wear the helm with your coif? A padded head band, to snug up the fit, works wonders with the chin strap. Did you get any patterns before assembly?
Thanks for the pics.
Hal.
Ps: I sure like my new coif, it is my best one yet.

taltosh · Post by **taltosh** » Tue May 07, 2002 12:22 am

Hal, do you have an example of the Y type chin strap you're refering to? I did wear the helm with the coif and with the suspension it's a tight fit, but that's cause of the doubles up layers of leather at the seams of the flaps and suspension brow band, when I replace it I'll probably make it out of 1 piece of leather using vegtan for added stifness.

I was in too much of a hurry to make patterns of the helm before putting it together but it shouldn't be too complicated to just measure the bands and approximate the pannels, unless of course you kept the patterns used for my helm, in which case I'd glady purchase them from you when I have a bit of coin to spare.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Tue May 07, 2002 1:57 am

This strap will hold the helm on good. I learned it from Egfroth.

[img]http://www.cox-internet.com/halberds/viking7.jpg[/img]

Notice the Y at the ears. the first main strap goes just behind your ears. The second short part of the Y goes in front of your ear at the temple.

Make the chin straps extra long. it sure is a lot better to cut them "after" fitting.

Tin foil, sharpie and sicissors, makes good form fitting patterns on existing parts. Just flaten it back out and their is your pattern.

No, you can not buy patterns from me.

That is your helm now, you made it. You can pattern it if you wish. You already know some dishing I saw the spaulders pic.

The 18 ga is a good choice for your boffers sport. You will need a stump and planishing dome like this.

[img]http://www.cox-internet.com/halberds/stumps.jpg[/img]

Hal.

taltosh · Post by **taltosh** » Tue May 07, 2002 9:13 am

Hal, thanks for the tin foil tip, I hadn't thought of that. The brow and top bands are simple enough to figure out and with this tip I'll have the spangens figured out in no time.

Thanks for the Y strap pics as well. I'll get some work done this w-e

Tal

Chuck Davis · Post by **Chuck Davis** » Tue May 07, 2002 11:44 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by taltosh:
I'm curently strugling with a pair of 14 cent hourglass 1/2 gaunts using Master Cads' pattern
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Taltosh, if you have questions on the gauntlets, email me at argentsilver@yahoo.com

I'm always willing to help.
-Cad

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-Chuck
aka Cadwallon y' Rhudd

Brodir · Post by **Brodir** » Tue May 07, 2002 11:59 pm

Looks good, if you feel like picking up a boffer sword and doing a little mercenary work this summer, email me.

taltosh · Post by **taltosh** » Wed May 08, 2002 9:24 am

Chuck D. the struggle lies mainly with teh fact that I don't weld and don't have easy access to someone who welds so my first thought was to add tabs to the metacarpal plate and use that to rivet the 2 pieces together. That idea was discarded when I realized that unless I invest in a shear or a nibbler, cutting those tabs with any degree of precision would be a nightmare. So I'm left with the 2 pieces, formed cuffs and no way to weld them together... I'm on the lookout for an easier way to connect the 2 plates together or trying to find a good samaritan to weld those pieces for me.

Brodir: Give me some details as far as dates and location, that might be doable.

Chris Arel, aka taltosh