Period examples of winged helms?

Budobudo · Post by **Budobudo** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:21 pm

Can anyone link me to one?

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:32 pm

oh god....everybody brace yourselves.....

So Ill start this off before people start to rant about Helmets not having wings.....

what period are you looking for?

there is a website
http://www.legionsix.org/Real%20Gear.htm
that has an example of a phrygian helm that has wings on it.
And there were 16th century tounrey helms that had wings for decorations...

now if your lookign for Viking stuff....nope..sorry...

Thomas Powers · Post by **Thomas Powers** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:10 pm

in the ancient period wasn't the helm of hermes depicted with wings?

Thomas

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:15 pm

There were ancient Greek helmets with wings, mostly decorative(the wings, anyway). There is a lot of period art from the 15thC depicting wings on helmets, as part of the classical art rebirt.

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:25 pm

Here's a Hellenistic example of an "Italo-Attic" helmet, simply meaning that it was a helmet of the Attic type found in Italy!

-Gregory-

white mountain armoury · Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:19 pm

Thee is a celtic helmet that not only has wings, it has an entire bird, and quite large as well, its thought that the birds wings would actually flap when the wearer would walk. there are also early celtic helmets with horns, the horns are bronze though not animal horns

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:45 pm

Mercury had a winged helm. Yes?

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:58 pm

Hal,

Mercury is the Roman name for the Greek God Hermes, who was the messenger of Zeus (or Jupiter, as the Romans would say!)

-Gregory-

(p.s. I mention this because Hermes was already acknowledged in the thread.)

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:04 pm

I just had the Silver Alter of St. James up for another post. 14th century Italian, though I don't recall the specifics off the top of my head.

Check out the guy in the upper left.

[img]http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jselmer/images/progress_pics/StJames.jpg[/img]

There were also plenty of crests with wings, horns, fish, ......

Jacob

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:38 pm

Hummmm.... One is seen to have some sort of winged moffett on his helm..

Next we can have horns. No?

Jacob · Post by **Jacob** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:51 pm

Horns with flowers?
http://www.manesse.de/img/030.jpg

Or talons?
http://www.manesse.de/img/025.jpg

A nice hat?
http://www.manesse.de/img/055.jpg

etc, etc
I like the fish:
http://www.manesse.de/img/050.jpg and http://www.manesse.de/img/075.jpg

Therefore, everyone should have fish on their helms. :twisted:

Budobudo · Post by **Budobudo** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:03 am

I was just looking for the classic knight helm from fantasy, looks like it is "sort of true"

Big Friendly Vegan · Post by **Big Friendly Vegan** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:56 am

I just had the Silver Alter of St. James up for another post. 14th century Italian, though I don't recall the specifics off the top of my head.

Check out the guy in the upper left.

I may be wrong, but I think you will find the guy with the "wings" is actually meant to be the devil and the wings are actually his horns. He is in the crowd dragging Jesus away. Notice the smug look on his face. Very Hollywood cut shot type of stuff.

David

Ivo · Post by **Ivo** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:05 am

Hello.

Do not ask where I nicked this picture, but if you fancy wings...

Budobudo · Post by **Budobudo** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:16 am

Ivo wrote:Hello.

Do not ask where I nicked this picture, but if you fancy wings...

Nice. That one is very nice. what era is it from?

Cory Nielsen · Post by **Cory Nielsen** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:05 pm

The Osprey book German Medieval Armies has a pic of an early 14th century German knight wearing a greathelm with quite large wings. Anybody know the source?

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:09 pm

here is a webpage with pictures of a guys trip to Prague....

Theres a pic of a lateer period...16th or 17th century? Helmet with wings...

http://www.firepile.com/geekday/08132003/index.html (the page)

(the helm) http://www.firepile.com/geekday/0813200 ... edHelm.jpg

and a great helm with "wings"
http://www.firepile.com/geekday/0813200 ... 56Helm.jpg

David Edwinson · Post by **David Edwinson** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:15 pm

Gregory J. Liebau wrote:Here's a Hellenistic example of an "Italo-Attic" helmet, simply meaning that it was a helmet of the Attic type found in Italy!

-Gregory-

The heck with the wings, that helm has two corkscrews on it!!! Talk about handy...

Budobudo · Post by **Budobudo** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:33 pm

David Edwinson wrote:
Gregory J. Liebau wrote:Here's a Hellenistic example of an "Italo-Attic" helmet, simply meaning that it was a helmet of the Attic type found in Italy!

-Gregory-

The heck with the wings, that helm has two corkscrews on it!!! Talk about handy...

that's it now i want a swiss army helm

fish scaler, little scissors, screwdriver, the whole bit.

Ernst · Post by **Ernst** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:30 pm

Albrecht von Arnsperg wrote:The Osprey book German Medieval Armies has a pic of an early 14th century German knight wearing a greathelm with quite large wings. Anybody know the source?

Yes. It's another Manesse image.
http://www.tempora-nostra.de/manesse/img/053.jpg

Brian Belding · Post by **Brian Belding** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:01 pm

ive seen a pic somewhere- idk where- that showed vikings ata shore in armour- and the leader had medium sized wings on his helm, it seemed to be held on by rivets pinching the wing between the helm and a lop-sided oval- it looked authentic- ill see if i can find it

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:49 pm

Budobudo wrote:
Ivo wrote:Hello.

Do not ask where I nicked this picture, but if you fancy wings...

Nice. That one is very nice. what era is it from?

That is also an Italo-Attic helmet, much like the one I posted. It would date to somewhere around 300 BC, approximately.

-Gregory-

Cory Nielsen · Post by **Cory Nielsen** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:06 pm

Ernst wrote:
Albrecht von Arnsperg wrote:The Osprey book German Medieval Armies has a pic of an early 14th century German knight wearing a greathelm with quite large wings. Anybody know the source?

Yes. It's another Manesse image.
http://www.tempora-nostra.de/manesse/img/053.jpg

Thanks. I thought it might have come from the Manesse Codex, but I'm at work and my books are at home so I couldn't check.

ushumgal · Post by **ushumgal** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:02 am

Gregory, may I ask where you found your Italo-Attic helmet? They had some pretty neat stuff in the Hellenistic period - my fav is the Phyrgian helmet, aka. "smurf hat"...

Thanks,
Jamie
LU2.DUB.SAR

Gerhard von Liebau · Post by **Gerhard von Liebau** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:38 pm

Hey Jamie,

Sending a PM your way.

Cheers!

-Gregory-

Period examples of winged helms?

Period examples of winged helms?

cool examples thanks