Black Swan Designs wrote:were you trying to make a point wih posting them? If so I think I missed it....
The point I was trying to make is that I really have no desire to start doing any housecleaning yet this morning! So there! And -- and -- and -- if I have to invent a little make-work project for myself ...
so be it!
Mostly I wanted to see if there were additional pictures of clearly-fur-lined examples (instead of the appearance that there were only two in the whole document). Interestingly, the ragged garment that the Gibeonite wears seems to be an entirely different style (with loose sleeves etc.) that we see again in a scene of peasants in the field.
(And also wanted to point out that chicks wear this kinda frock too.)
Black Swan Designs wrote:I really like the brown lined in green in David and Absalom. What do you think about the white edging seen on a lot of these- topstitching, trim or the artist highlighting an edge?
I think it's artistic convention. Many objects -- especially if they're depicted in a strong or dark color -- regardless of whether or not they're actually a textile -- are given a white line of some sort. Now, there's some especially interesting usages of the white line in textiles -- especially in the textiles relating to bedding -- that could certainly be reproduced using embroidery, appliqué, brocade, lining, etc. But I think (like Rohan Master's proclivity towards adding fancy goldwork patterns to random garments) that it's just a characteristic of the artist's style.
(Like, fer example, a lot of the Maciejowski scenes of people in mourning show 'em with cheerful smiling faces. I don't think we can read into this that mid-13th century people were just as pleased to mourn as they were to rejoice. And then there's the whole universally androgynous look ...)
The clearest example of the appearance of a white line as an artistic convention (rather than as a literal application of ornamentation to the ground fabric) that I can think off the top of my head of are the purses of
Michal and
Abigail. Now, I'd
suspect that both women are wearing fairly plain drawstring purses -- much like the one
Berengaria wears in her effigy (c. 1230). And it could well be that at least Abigail's purse is meant to be something on the order of
this 14th century reliquary bag. But we cannot interpret the white shape as being a mysterious bit of ornamentation that's been embroidered on the gown.
Dunno. Certainly, if someone's specifying that they want that style of garment, but only if it has fancy whitework embroidery at the hems, why, then, you embroider it, and there ya go. The Maciejowski Bible was produced in Paris, but it's worth noting that there are many examples of
whitework embroidery produced in Germany at that time -- but most of those are ecclesiastical or domestic linens (or wall-hangings) rather than garments, and that they're all white embroidery on white linen (rather than white embroidery on colored wool or silk grounds).
as the text with the site you linked stated 
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