progress pics

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Thu Jul 25, 2002 11:07 am

just thought I would give an update on the last two pieces I posted pictures of. Here is the turkish one,
[img]http://www.thadenpierce.com/armor/current/ari_turk01.jpg[/img] Just a few things left to do on it.
Here is the sallet I posted progress pictures but all completed [img]http://www.thadenpierce.com/armor/current/ger_sallet06.jpg[/img]
Patrick

grendel · Post by **grendel** » Thu Jul 25, 2002 11:19 am

Ok, I want the Sallet...

Pietro da San Tebaldo · Thu Jul 25, 2002 11:32 am

Stand in line, Grendel!

That turkish helmet is gorgeous! What's the time period on that?

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Padrig · Post by **Padrig** » Thu Jul 25, 2002 11:50 am

Again, thanks for helping me get back down to earth when my head get a little too inflated. Great work, something to shoot for.

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Julius Caesar · Post by **Julius Caesar** » Thu Jul 25, 2002 12:30 pm

Those look very nice, top shelf work indeed.
How did you put the thin lines that are near the borders of the "teardrops" on the skull of the turkish helm? Are they chased?

Again, both are great looking helms.

-Will-

twoswords · Post by **twoswords** » Thu Jul 25, 2002 1:05 pm

WOW!

How much do you charge for a sallet like that? Checked your homepage, but I couldnÂ´t find any price info.

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Gundo · Post by **Gundo** » Thu Jul 25, 2002 4:18 pm

Those lines are indeed chased. We discussed this on IRC last night. He raised the basic shape from a cone, over a tapered t-stake. He then raised the bulges over a ball stake. The he filled the helm with pitch, and started chasing.

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Stoffel · Post by **Stoffel** » Thu Jul 25, 2002 8:13 pm

humbling...very humbling...

Julius Caesar · Post by **Julius Caesar** » Thu Jul 25, 2002 9:00 pm

Armour Bob...or..anyone who chases, how badly does the piece get marred when chasing? I've tried a couple elementary chasing experiments with simple shapes and the metal gets marred immediately. It's not really a problem to clean up on something simple like a circle, but I would imagine it to be alot tougher on more complex designs. What do you think?

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Thu Jul 25, 2002 11:31 pm

Armourcake!

Patrick Thaden · Post by **Patrick Thaden** » Fri Jul 26, 2002 2:30 pm

Thanks everyone,
I finished the turkish one today and will try and get some finished pictures to show before too long. As to a time frame on the turkish helmet, well based on similar styled ones I would say it to be 16th century, I don't recall what the museum had listed on it. The design on the turkish helmet was entirely chased in, the ball stake was used only to bring the outer 3-4 inches of the cone back to vertical. As far as a price that varyies depending on specifics of style and construction. For sallets, pricing would start at 450$ and go up depending on what you are after.
Chasing can, and often is, the final step in the decoration of a piece. It depends on the surface you are starting with and the design as to what kind of clean up is used, You will see on silversmithed pieces that they will sometimes use a texturing tool to fill in and cover areas of background which then alleviates the need for further cleanup in those areas. If your tools are leaving unwated marks, it can be that your tools have too sharp an edge, or you just need more practice. The tools do not need a mirror finish, somewhere in the 400grit range is more than enough, there should also not be any sharp edges(unless you need a crisp corner or line). On this helmet I did sand to clean it up after chasing the design in, because of the large areas that needed to be rather smooth. If you have a good hard pitch you can somewhat smooth an area with a flat chasing tool (similar to plannishing). The best place to look for info on this type of work is silversmithing books. Patrick

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Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Fri Jul 26, 2002 3:43 pm

Frankly the picture of the Turkish doesn't do the detail justice.