Fixed gorget?

HammerHand · Post by **HammerHand** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:26 pm

Does anyone know of any century of armour ( effigies/ literature/ coal rubbings) that incorporated a fixed gorget to the breastplate and a fixed collar defense for the neck? The shape I guess would be like a sized-down bevor affixed to the body armour. I know it's fantasy armour, but if anyone remembers the Urik-hai from LOTR, some of them had the front throat guard. I thought it looked a rather neat addition.

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:29 pm

There were armors which incorporated bevors bolted to the bp, in the 15th/16thC's, so it isn't limited to fantasy armor. The Vienna catalogs show 3 examples from Braunschweig c1555-65 (from memory, I don't have the books), as well as some late 15thC examples (I think).

HammerHand · Post by **HammerHand** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:42 pm

Thanks for the reply, Alcyoneus. I thought I had heard of this, but I wasnt sure. I added one to my BP(pics posted). Thanks again.

Armourkris · Post by **Armourkris** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:04 am

As well i remember someone posting pics of a lamnellar harness a while back that had a tall collar built in to it, i think it was a siberian example, but i'm really not sure.

Alcyoneus · Post by **Alcyoneus** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:12 am

'Bolted' was probably the wrong choice of words. They were mostly attached by having a mating hole to match a staple on the bp, rather like the staples that held on removable lance rests.

RictherBelmont · Post by **RictherBelmont** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:25 pm

been away from the forums a long time. I have effigies in a book of mine showing very early fourteenth century fixed gorgets as well as basinets that almost seem to attach directly to the breastplates with some sort of sliding rivet mechanism if that makes sense? Totally pre-ren-bevor. The author's text(can't remember his name off hand but the book is a classic) notes that the innovation was made to relieve the extreme neck stress suffered from the basinet, and camimaille weight. I'll try to get photos for you soon.