Fantasy Helm

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:53 pm

The Fantasy armour thread got me going again....

I like to have fun with my metal pounding.
Almost done with the 220V shop wiring for my new plasma torch and TIG

First project:

Hal

Ps: I will torch it out... dish, crease, roll, grind and planish..... then weld it together.
Sounds easy... ....Yes?

I hope my new big shaping tools will allow this to work.
Perhaps a little hot work on the beard and moustache.... ..No?

Your design help is always welcome....

Brother Logan · Post by **Brother Logan** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:13 am

That is going to ROCK can't wait to see it in production!
Cheers,
Leo

Galileo · Post by **Galileo** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:33 am

Hey Hal, how about using bronze or brass for the mustache/beard for a nice contrast against blackened steel?

T. Finkas · Post by **T. Finkas** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:35 am

Can't wait to see the metal start taking shape. Woooohoooo!

Mord · Post by **Mord** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:41 am

I won't name names, but a long time ago, a now famous armorer made a helmet for his friend who had a viking persona. They dubbed the helmet "Iron Sven." Your helm looks a lot like it.

I think your design is great, and I want to see the final product.

Mord.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:32 pm

Thanks guys,

This is the poster board rough draft at the pattern.

I have seen the Wombat helm pics; however I do not wish to copy them. I was hoping to study Gods beard from Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel paintings, to get the nice flowing lines and curls he uses.

With my RR spike fluting stake and some hot work I might be able to pull this off. Only time will tell.

As always... I will post my progress pics.

Thank you for your support.

Hal

Destichado · Post by **Destichado** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:34 pm

Someone ought to do face helmets for Norman Connicals and Cerveliers...

This will be fun to see, Hal.

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:02 pm

Halberds wrote:I have seen the Wombat helm pics; however I do not wish to copy them. I was hoping to study Gods beard from Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel paintings, to get the nice flowing lines and curls he uses.

that would be way cool. However, may I offer up a suggestion? Since you are going with a spangen helm perhaps following the artistic lines of the Norse gods?

Much simpiler but just think how bad ass a helm would look with the bearded visage of Odin the One Eye, done like they would have drawn him back then, would be?

Just brain storming.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:30 pm

Humm.... got pics?

I am open to ideas, just planing things now.

Hal

MacGowan Metals · Post by **MacGowan Metals** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:57 pm

Looking forward to seeing this progress.
Which reminds me, Thanks Hal for showing off so many progress pics. It really helps with ideas and techniques.

Jason

Brother Logan · Post by **Brother Logan** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:50 am

Hey Hal,
Did you see this?
Cheers,
Leo

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:05 am

Now that is just uber cool.....

Thanks for the pic.

Kenwrec Wulfe · Post by **Kenwrec Wulfe** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:54 am

Brother Logan wrote:Hey Hal,
Did you see this?
Cheers,
Leo

That is very cool....

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:03 am

Odin... Like this?

LordDraco3 · Post by **LordDraco3** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:11 am

Here's a few more pics that might be useful:
http://artgeek5000.com/sketch/odin_spear.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9G_RtiJaEhE. ... s/odin.jpg

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images1/o ... muninn.jpg

http://z.about.com/d/ancienthistory/1/4/K/E/Odin.jpg

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:16 am

Thanks I like this one best.
http://orlog.euweb.cz/gods/odin.jpg

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:01 am

Halberds wrote:Odin... Like this?

Well as usual when I need to find photos of what I am talking about I can't.

Hal, that pic is of Thor not odin. What I was more thinking of was extant carvings, sculpture, drawings, paintings of Norse gods from medieval times. Then manufacture a face out of that style so that it might look like something a norse cheiftan might wear during a ceremony.

There are certain aspects to that period artwork that makes it LOOK like it was made back then. Things like straight lines when drawing a beard, large football shaped eyes with no pupils, flat triangularish shaped noses, The folds in a robe being very straight, etc.

Like I said before it would be simpiler to manufacture the face going by these guidelines BUT, I think you would end up with a truely fantastic fantasy helm heavily rooted in history. (something that while fantasy LOOKS like it could have been made back then)

Now, if you were looking more towards straight up fantasy and not trying to tie it in to history, modern comic book drawings of odin or Thor, loki, etc. would work just fine.

Just my .02 cents

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Fri May 05, 2006 12:25 am

This is what I have so far:

http://home.armourarchive.org/members/h ... /Gorp1.jpg

I know... it is very rough; however... it is my first hand held plasma cut. Add some basic hammer dishing on the "Tin/Lead Alloy"..... Volla... The start of my fantasy helm.

Many more leagues to go.... before we cand rest.... Sir....

Your local metal pounder, wannabe welder and part time tool maker,

Hal

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Fri May 05, 2006 12:50 am

Galileo wrote:Hey Hal, how about using bronze or brass for the mustache/beard for a nice contrast against blackened steel?

That is a good idea... perhaps on the next one after all the bugs are worked out of the pattern. The bronze is up to $195.00 for a 24" X 24" sheet in 14 ga.... not counting shipping cost... I wish I had a bronze mine just like my "Tin/lead Alloy" mine.....

Hal

Oswyn_de_Wulferton · Post by **Oswyn_de_Wulferton** » Fri May 05, 2006 1:36 am

I have heard of people using kickplates for doors to good effect.

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Fri May 05, 2006 12:33 pm

Good idea, I will check at my local hardware store.
It can always be used as an overlay if it is not 14ga.
Must be sure they are solid brass and not just plated.
Thanks for the tip.

This is Saturdays work on the Saxon Viking Fantasy Helm.

I have been thinking about using some copper overlay on the 14ga helm top spangen panels.... as they are the last to make.

I will ask Plasmaman if he has flesh tone metal acid.
Polished bands some russit on the beard.... and we be good to go.

Hal

Duco de Klonia · Post by **Duco de Klonia** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:30 pm

I like this very much.

Duco de Klonia · Post by **Duco de Klonia** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:30 pm

I like this very much.

Matt Stagmer · Post by **Matt Stagmer** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:15 pm

awsome work HAL....u should work in sheet metal more often...

def going to turn out stunning i think !

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:53 pm

Looks Fantastic. Excellent work!

One thing though, with all the facial work on the front, I think the "slat back" looks a bit boring. Just an idea but maybe sculpt hair for the back plate? Then if you want to really screw with people's minds, put a very light chainmaille drape across the back to look like the only thing there is hair and chainmaille.

dragonjohn · Post by **dragonjohn** » Mon May 08, 2006 5:49 pm

I have heard of people using kickplates for doors to good effect.

these work, your right though need to check them, if there plated

try to find a "metal reclamation yard" :roll:

--a scrap yard--
If you ask they usually stack them off to the side, I took a helm to mine and showed it off, now I can get the kick plates for about 2 bucks apice!!
coppers good too , though more expensive

...... and the helm is AWSOME!!

Cat · Post by **Cat** » Mon May 08, 2006 6:07 pm

I can't wait to see this one done! It looks great! Nice fluting!

Cat

Hew · Post by **Hew** » Mon May 08, 2006 6:26 pm

Halberds wrote:Good idea, I will check at my local hardware store.
It can always be used as an overlay if it is not 14ga.
Must be sure they are solid brass and not just plated.

All the ones I've found (at Home Depot, etc.) weren't even brass plated, just anodized aluminum.

Ld Thomas Willoughby · Mon May 08, 2006 7:32 pm

Great Googly Moogly Ron, that's looking awesome!!!

Now I want to try one...

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:06 pm

Thanks for your support... guys and gals.....It is a real booster....

I have been working overtime on this.
I made a boo-boo and got the head band too small....

This is tonights installment... with the larger head band and new side to side straps and panels still needing cut out.... a little more eastern looking I think.

The old head band will be used to add leather panels; as Cat tought me to dish leather like it was steel..... Egfroth tought me how to pinch them with the single rivet design. Two helms in progress...Hoooo Boy...

Now, all I have to do is trade Stonekeep the "SugarSpangen" and the new 4" dishing doughnut for four, unfinshed Texas long horns; so I can finish my Benty Grange helm..... started 4 years ago....

To quote Animal... "Just saying".

Hal

Ps: This is all cold work so far. I used the newbie fluting RR stake to get the creases.

Cat · Post by **Cat** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:47 am

Well, as much as I would like to, I can't take credit for coming up with the idea of dishing leather. That came directly from Dan, and I owe him big time.

I am very interested in seeing how the leather spangen turns out, as that was what I was going to do until I decided on the two piece.

Be sure to post many pics!

Cat

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:32 pm

Sure will Cat. It will just be leather panels, as the bands and rivets will be steel.
I was thinking of using that brass mail drape you made me on it too.

I credit you for the inspiration to try leather helm panels.... as I can't be outdone by a girlÃ¢â‚¬Â¦. :wink:

Hal

KerryStagmer · Post by **KerryStagmer** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:58 pm

2 thumbs up!

looks great...

Ld Thomas Willoughby · Tue May 09, 2006 3:13 pm

Anyone have ideas or know how they attached all the hair to that one helm?

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Wed May 10, 2006 10:21 am

Hi Thomas, as far as I can tell it appears to be attached in small clusters through holes along the edges. Sort of woven in. YMMV

One gould use epoxy in the inside like my horse hair helm plumes.
Are you going to try one?
Best of luck.

All the one posted needs is chicken legs Saxon blood and beer in it. :wink:

Hal