My new Crusader Hat!

Thorvold · Post by **Thorvold** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 5:40 pm

Hello,

Thought I would share some pics of my new helm. This hat was made by John Van Hassel of Windrose Armory. It was indeed a pleasure working with him on this. He was patient on measurements, and special things I needed, and email was timely.

I saw a picture of this helm that Chazz (from the archive) was working on, and just had to have one. John worked with me even though he was gearing up for Pennsic, which was the "extra mile", I thought.

Bottom line, I couldn't be happier.

Well on with the pics...

Chazz's Helm (as inspiration for me to get one of my own)

http://www.thorvold.freeservers.com/cruhelm3.jpg

Mine!

http://www.thorvold.freeservers.com/front.jpg
http://www.thorvold.freeservers.com/front1.jpg
http://www.thorvold.freeservers.com/side.jpg
http://www.thorvold.freeservers.com/inside.jpg
http://www.thorvold.freeservers.com/back.jpg

Enjoy!

Thorv

EDIT -

Sigh, you have to put the question mark at the end of the URL after you copy the link into your browser.

Also, for those wondering... The whole thing is 14 gauge mild steel, the perforated steel for the eye slots is 16 guage. The perf. steel was a modification for use in live steel fighting.

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taltosh · Post by **taltosh** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 7:24 pm

Holy S#$% dude, that's one sweet kicka$$ helm! And no, you don't need to add the ? at the end of the URL, at least I didn't need to.

Once again, that helm looks SWEET!!!

Rainald · Post by **Rainald** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 7:52 pm

Nice Hat!

Why the screen on the eye slots? .

Templar Bob/De Tyre · Post by **Templar Bob/De Tyre** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 8:19 pm

No matter how many times I click on the link (or even add the "?" to the end of the URL), I get the message, "We can't find______________. Is it possible that you could do the following UBB code, so we can see it on the Archive?:

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In the example above, the UBBCodeâ„¢ automatically makes the graphic visible in your message. Note: the "http://" part of the URL is REQUIRED for the [img] code. Also note: some UBB forums may disable the [img] tag support to prevent objectionable images from being viewed.

*Remove the asterisks.

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The Noble Companie and Order of St. Maurice
Those who beat their swords into plowshares end up plowing for those who don't.

Remember: In Living History/Reinactment, Real Life is the Great Leveler of Man.

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Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 9:44 pm

All the links worked for me cept the last one.

That is the best looking helm of that type I have seen so far.

Crusader, from the old paintings and drawings, helm if I ever saw one!

We would like to see a pic of the full kit. If you would be so kind.

Thank you for sharing.

Hal.

BloodRose · Post by **BloodRose** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 11:25 pm

It kicks so much arse SOO NICE good work, I need to get me one of them helms

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"Don't sweat the petty things, Don't pet sweaty things!"

Thorvold · Post by **Thorvold** » Sat Sep 14, 2002 10:45 am

Hal, I have a kit... like so many do that is "in progress", but with this little gem, it is getting closer. I am really torn as to what to do about my hauberk. Right now it is 3/4 length on the arms. I am unsure about hidden defense "bulging" the mail making it look funky.... or using splinted arms. Legs will be chauses, but not there yet. Still need a nice pair of turn shoes as well.

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Steve S. · Post by **Steve S.** » Sat Sep 14, 2002 11:37 am

That helm looks sweet!

Does anyone have some period illustrations that show that type of helm?

Steve

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Highly authentic, affordable riveted maille.

Thorvold · Post by **Thorvold** » Sun Sep 15, 2002 12:10 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Templar Bob/De Tyre:
No matter how many times I click on the link (or even add the "?" to the end of the URL), I get the message, "We can't find______________. Is it possible that you could do the following UBB code, so we can see it on the Archive?:

[IMG*](your URL here)[/IMG*]

In the example above, the UBBCodeâ„¢ automatically makes the graphic visible in your message. Note: the "http://" part of the URL is REQUIRED for the [img] code. Also note: some UBB forums may disable the [img] tag support to prevent objectionable images from being viewed.

*Remove the asterisks.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

T-Bob, here is the site url, it should alow you to look at all the pics.

http://www.thorvold.freeservers.com

Thorvold · Post by **Thorvold** » Sun Sep 15, 2002 12:19 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rainald:
Nice Hat!

Why the screen on the eye slots? .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rainald,

I fight in a live steel group, the screen on the eyeslots although not period etc., is for safety, and is required by our Combat Manual.

Actually, just SOME sort of protection is required, allowing no more than 3/4" in any direction. I have seen welded bars, etc., in the eyeslots, but they just don't look good... I opted for the perf. steel.

Thorv

Templar Bob/De Tyre · Sun Sep 15, 2002 11:04 am

Thorvold:

I've tried to access your page both through Internet Explorer and through Netscape Navigator. IE tells me it "can't find" any page by Freeservers. Netscape says that "There is no response. The server could be down, or is not responding. If you are unable to connect again later, contact the server's administrator."

Perhaps it's my computer...

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Robert Coleman, Jr.

The Noble Companie and Order of St. Maurice
Those who beat their swords into plowshares end up plowing for those who don't.

Remember: In Living History/Reinactment, Real Life is the Great Leveler of Man.

Thorvold · Post by **Thorvold** » Sun Sep 15, 2002 11:15 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Templar Bob/De Tyre:
Thorvold:

I've tried to access your page both through Internet Explorer and through Netscape Navigator. IE tells me it "can't find" any page by Freeservers. Netscape says that "There is no response. The server could be down, or is not responding. If you are unable to connect again later, contact the server's administrator."

Perhaps it's my computer...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sent you a .zip file of the pictures via email

Templar Bob/De Tyre · Sun Sep 15, 2002 11:47 am

Thorvold:

Wow.

I want one soooooo badly.

Advantages:

1. You now have a helm that is relatively unique, with authentic circa 1220 lines. Most "fully-enclosed" Crusader period helms are actually of later provenance (e. g., the Prankh helm, the Bozen helm). This one could have stepped right off the Maciejowski Bible.

2. The slotted breaths will help make the helm less claustrophobic, and help with vision to some degree.

3. You'll notice another advantage--on bright, sunny days, the perforated ocularium will have the added benefit of polarizing glare, almost like Polaroid sunglasses.

Disadvantages:

1. Side shots and downward shots will be jarring, to say the least---particularly when the force of the blow impacts with the 90-degree edge of the "salt-shaker". I imagine that will go doubly with steel blunts. All the more reason to guard the head!

2. Unless it's a fairly large helm, you may not be able to wear a thick enough padded coif and mailled coif. One option is to make an aventail that can attach to the browline. Ondart de Clermont has a similar system on his helm. This gives the effect of a "cap with a coif".

Overall, I love the helm.

Questions and Commentary:

IIRC, you are involved with either the EoCS or the Adrian Empire, correct? That would explain the perforated visor. A nice way to keep from getting blinded.

Do you intend to wear a complete set of maille with this helm? Now that I'd like to see!

Thanks again for sending me the .zip files!

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Robert Coleman, Jr.

The Noble Companie and Order of St. Maurice
Those who beat their swords into plowshares end up plowing for those who don't.

Remember: In Living History/Reinactment, Real Life is the Great Leveler of Man.

Jantien van Vranckenvoert · Sun Sep 15, 2002 2:26 pm

Dad gummit, I am also unable to access the site, I wanna see......grumble.

Jentien

Galileo · Post by **Galileo** » Sun Sep 15, 2002 2:35 pm

Nice Helm!

Site works fine for me.

G--

Thorvold · Post by **Thorvold** » Tue Sep 17, 2002 1:44 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Templar Bob/De Tyre:
Thorvold:

2. Unless it's a fairly large helm, you may not be able to wear a thick enough padded coif and mailled coif. One option is to make an aventail that can attach to the browline. Ondart de Clermont has a similar system on his helm. This gives the effect of a "cap with a coif".

Overall, I love the helm.

Questions and Commentary:

IIRC, you are involved with either the EoCS or the Adrian Empire, correct? That would explain the perforated visor. A nice way to keep from getting blinded.

Do you intend to wear a complete set of maille with this helm? Now [b]that I'd like to see!

Thanks again for sending me the .zip files!

[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bob,

Yep, I am/was in the Adrian Empire. I have not been active for about 2 years, but will be going back soon. I want my kit to be up to par when I return, so I have been working on it.

Right now, I have a butted mail hauberk with integral coif. I have been working with the problem of hidden defense. I had a waxed leather "jerkin" that I wore under the mail. I hated it, it restricted movement badly. So, I went with a plated surcoat. Works much better.

Now my problem is the arms... I REALLY want to do full arms with mufflers, but rules are pretty darn plain on hand defense, plate gauntlets are about it. There is some talk of "equivilant" to plate gauntlets, but I have really had a hard time figuring that part out, without making the hands look like "gumby" etc. Any ideas? I am having the same problem with my arms... nothing seems thin enough, that protects enough, also allowing good movement. What time period did splinted arms come into their own?

I agree that my integral coif, padded coif, and padding in the helm is going to be close. I *think* I can do it, will check in the next few days, will let you know. Also, you mentioned an aventail option by Ondart de Clermont, would you happen to have a reference picture? I would like to look into this as a possible answer.

Thanks for all the help!

Thorv

Conrad the Mad · Post by **Conrad the Mad** » Tue Sep 17, 2002 4:22 pm

the pics of Ondart de clarmonts helm can be found here

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/borokotor/

Thorvold · Post by **Thorvold** » Tue Sep 17, 2002 4:35 pm

Wow.

That is great!! That is the style kit I am shooting for... but, isn't that helm made to allow for an aventail? Isn't the back plate recessed some? I love that helm by the way, and that "salt shaker" look was what I wanted in mine.

Ondart de Clarmont, what do you do for "hidden" defense?

Regards,

Thorv

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Stephen · Post by **Stephen** » Tue Sep 17, 2002 6:48 pm

http://www.waldryk.com/ Waldryk sells a nice one as well. I have nothing but good things to say about him and his work. look at his helms page near bottom for the helm.

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 3:16 am

Well, Thorvold, that's armourcake.

Templar Bob/De Tyre · Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:47 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Thorvold:
Also, you mentioned an aventail option by Ondart de Clermont, would you happen to have a reference picture? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is Ondart's Helm in profile.

One way you can do the same thing is to stitch the upper edge of your aventail to a 1" wide strip of leather and attach it by the use of vervelles to the crown-line of the helmet. This is the way bascinet helmets have their aventails attached. It also makes it easy to remove the aventail for cleaning and/or repair.

Next practice, check with someone who has such an attachment on the bascinet.

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Robert Coleman, Jr.

Real Life Comes First.

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Drake Orion · Post by **Drake Orion** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 4:12 am

I hate comcast...I was looking at the pics and it wouldn't let me go back...which is funny cause I am on the same damn server!

ANywho

Did crusaders have red afros back then?

love the helm...
Have you thought of using a period helm liner?
I also noticed some skin showing between the gorget and the front and side plates.
Is that ok?
I am not in the sca...
great work though