Corrazina with mail lining

[Klaus the Red]

What is the date that one is attributed to? It looks rather 16th century to me, with the square-cut top to the breastplate and the scooped opening in the fauld that gives the impression of tassets.

Klaus

[Giovanni Rocco]

Klaus

Are you refering to the now picture I just posted? If so then I have no idea, but it orignated here.

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... ght=poland

Giovanni

[Klaus the Red]

Good stuff, thanks!

It also occured to me that the Polish brig could have been an earlier one with the upper chest and shoulder plates missing, or intentionally removed in the 16th century to give it a more fashionable configuration.

[Thomas H]

Ovular, not what i thought TBH, something shaped liked an oval.

[Klaus the Red]

This is what Chef de Chambre, our resident brigandine guru, had to say on the other thread about the Polish example:

The brigandine is very interesting. It is the latest example I have seen of what would have been described as a 'brigandine de joute'. This is normally a very 15th century sort of brigandine, intended for the joust, or for mounted tournaments with the sword, and usually worn in conjunction with great bascinets. It has a solid breastplate, and side closeure, but the lames are arrranged in the number of columns one only finds in cusp of the 16th century or early 16th century brigandines, which is what the nail arrangements indicate as well. This is the latest example of this type of brigandine I am aware of extant.

For me, this calls into doubt the earlier dating of the example posted in this thread.

Klaus

[Giovanni Rocco]

Klaus

I made a side by side comparison of the two brigs in question and the Polish one looks alot like it could be cut down.

G

[Klaus the Red]

Yep, both breastplates have that low-cut top to them, though I would want to look at the Polish one up close to see if the fabric covering once continued up past that level to cover the collarbones and shoulders, and if so, whether it was cut off flush with the BP or wore through naturally. I wonder if there is any evidence of a brig in the 16th century being worn with a colleton.

K

[Giovanni Rocco]

colleton??

[Klaus the Red]

A 16th century gorget with coverage extending over the back and chest, overlapping the flat top edges of the breast and back plates. At least, so the thing has been named in my presence by one of our local late-period fighters.

[Thomas H]

A munion?

[Klaus the Red]

Only if it's "munionitions" grade.

New term on me. Not my century.

Looking at a few museum pieces over on the Arador photo gallery, I stand corrected- the breastplate overlaps the collar instead of vice versa. I can't get the URL for the individual shots but if you go here:
http://www.arador.com/gallery/index.html and click on "Tower of London and British Museum," the suit with the poll axe (4th row, leftmost) has a pretty good example of what I'm talking about.

[Alcyoneus]

A munion is a mid-late 16thC gorget with lames continuing on down to nearly the elbow.

[Kilkenny]

Ovular, not what i thought TBH, something shaped liked an oval.

I'm going to make a small wager that the reference is to the shape of the *wire* not the ring. Seems to me that the other descriptors are for the wire, so this should be as well. Also seems like a reasonable distinction to make note of - flat wire, round wire, oval wire.

Gavin

[Thomas H]

Makes sense Kilkenny!