Dishing a Globose

RenJunkie · Post by **RenJunkie** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:14 pm

Hey gang. Anyone have any dishing diagrams of a Globose or other non-peascod sort of one-piece Medieval western European breast plate? I looked at the Churburg essay on the Archive, but it didn't really make a whole of sense to me. Best would be a patter or cut out plate with the dishing areas marked out. My eye for curves isn't real good yet, so if someone has any visual cues that would help.

Thanks,
Christopher

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:44 pm

Look real hard at Churburg 13, the famous segmented breast, and Churburg 14, a one-piece globose from about the same time. Their planviews and profiles are pretty similar. Try Grimm Armoury for a gallery of museum pieces.

Most of the dishing is down low: the curvature is quite deep in the lower half of either breastplate. Up between the arm cutouts and across the upper chest, there is some dishing but it is much flatter. This is particularly plain to see in profile views. The deep dishing low down flattens out only somewhat towards either side of the breastplate. That shape should make it more comfortable for lowering your arms.

Ideval · Post by **Ideval** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:53 pm

It's not a very good picture, and certainly isn't an historical example,
but here's one that I did a few years ago.

If I were to do another, I'd mark the areas on the
lower abdomen where the bulge is greatest, and then
I'd bouge the entire surface to blend the curvature.
All surfaces are hammer-worked, even those areas
that don't *seem* to be dished.

IdÃ«val

schreiber · Post by **schreiber** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:10 pm

Nope, no diagrams, but I've got a piece of advice... change tooling.

Just as you wouldn't dish a knee cop with a ball pien hammer, the hammer you use for knee cops is probably not up to the task. Shallow dish, large radius on the hammer, that's how I'd do it.

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:43 pm

So get yourself one of those plastic-coated cast iron dumbbells, 5 - 8lbs, with the gently rounded ends. Most people who use these for dishing hammers peel the plastic coating off. Piledrive it on the metal, into a sandbag or some dish.

Kase Villand · Post by **Kase Villand** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:15 am

Call up the owner/manager of the local bowling alley, and ask him if you can buy the oldest, most beat-up 15lb bowling ball in the house for $5. A friend of mine has a wooden dowel glued into the thumb-hole of his... you could get a drawer handle from Home Depot and screw it into one side, too.

Won't scratch the metal, has a nice wide radius, will dish mild steel in an awful hurry, and will make your armor buddies laugh when they see it in the shop. And the price is right.

Kase

"Unbelievably, a goldfish can kill a gorilla. But it does require a significant element of suprise." - George Carlin

raito · Post by **raito** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:33 pm

Kase, I got mine for free. And used it on aht #13 I did last summer. And didn't put a doewl in it, either. Good for strong fingers...

schreiber · Post by **schreiber** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:36 pm

That's a great idea, but I think I'll use the 16lb Rhino Pro I haven't had the heart to toss out....

And I would think the Salvation Army would be a starting point for bowling balls. They don't have league nights.

RenJunkie · Post by **RenJunkie** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:51 am

Thanks for all the suggestions. I have dishing tools I got from Halberds last Christmas, I just now am living someplace where I can pound with them. The bowling ball is a sweet idea, tho. Wonder what would be a good size for helms? lol

I would love to see more of the churby 14, but pretty much the only decent pic I seem to be able to find is the one on Historic Enterprises' site.

Can anyone explain to me the difference in dishing our a Gothic style BP and a Globose? Segements not withstanding, just talking general silhouette. I have pics I took of the Gothic and Peascod styles this past June at the Higgins, but there were no Globose styles. The closest it got was a few Maximillian harnesses. There's just something in the Gothic ones chewing at me, but I can't figure out what.

Anyway, to get back to Globies.....Does anyone have a cut away drawing of how it should sit on the body? I mean, does the waist of the BP touch the wearer's waist in the front? How close should it come?

Thanks, everyone.

Christopher

Konstantin the Red · Post by **Konstantin the Red** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:05 pm

It should come to about the altitude of your belly button and short ribs. Otherwise it will attack you every time you try and bend over. You end up having to slouch rather than sit, like someone in a full-on Darth Vader costume -- there's a reason you never saw him undeniably sitting.

The gothic BPs were still pretty globose, just styled differently or articulated in breast + plackart, which allows the torso freedom to bend side to side, higher up than the waist -- that bend that seems to center about the solar plexus.

RenJunkie · Post by **RenJunkie** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:33 am

Sorry, I don't think I worded my question well. I mean should the bottom edge be touching the body int he front? Not so much the altitude of the bottom edge, more like should there be a gap between my gut and the bottom edge, or should it be touching? I know the bottom edge touches on the sides, just not sure about the front.

Thanks,
Christopher