Hussar helm...

Hrolfr · Post by **Hrolfr** » Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:31 am

Still trying to figure out which pattern from the archives would be the best (looking and SCA combat-legal) baseline for Hussar (mainly dome/skullcap).
I am working on this as a Pas kit (with wings and a faux leopard skin), and hope to start after the Holidays.
Any and all input will be appreciated!
;^p

Galileo · Post by **Galileo** » Fri Nov 22, 2002 1:37 am

Check out Gundo's site - he has a nice Hussar helm on there.

G--

Chris Gilman · Post by **Chris Gilman** » Fri Nov 22, 2002 9:09 am

This may be some help. Here is a helmet I made about 20 years ago
Itâ€™s a 17th century civil war lobster tail. I have added some details to it inspired from some of the Hussar helmets. It has a hinged wing screw on the front that holds the visor in. The visor has a tab with a partial hole that the screw sets into. That way if the screw loosens, the visor still can't fall out. The tail is freely articulated. Under the tail is a piece of heavy leather that connects the two earflaps. This keeps the helmet from rocking on you head. A four-point chin strap/ chin cup keeps the grill off your face.
[img]http://www.globaleffects.com/Rental/Wardrobe/Headgear/HelmetsPeriod/Renaissance/lobsterh.JPG[/img]
I also have a good book on Polish armour. If there is something specific you are looking for I can try and post some reference for you.

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Sir Gaston Bonneville de la Croix MKA Chris Gilman

Hrolfr · Post by **Hrolfr** » Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:08 pm

Way cool! Thank you. I think that I can use a bascinet pattern for the top. I am planning on having the face plate on the grill ;^p.
BTW, did you have some sort of re-enforcement under the lames in back?

;^p

white mountain armoury · Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:13 pm

I would use a simple round top, not a bascinet, although the conical one posted above looks quite nice.

Chris Gilman · Post by **Chris Gilman** » Fri Nov 22, 2002 1:35 pm

The reinforce under the tail is heavy leather. I have a photo of a solid faceplate, SCA legal, which I shot in the Zurich museum. I'll post it when I go to the office if you are interested. The top on this helm is a spun top. I was tiered of people making the same old ugly helmets with spun tops. They kept saying, "Well what else can you build as easy!?" This was made in less than a week, with very little in the way of special forming tools. The brass trim was cut with a band saw and files.

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Sir Gaston Bonneville de la Croix MKA Chris Gilman

Hrolfr · Post by **Hrolfr** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 12:02 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by White Mountain Armoury:
I would use a simple round top, not a bascinet, although the conical one posted above looks quite nice.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmmm, it's a thought. See next..

Hrolfr · Post by **Hrolfr** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 12:07 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Sir Gaston:
The reinforce under the tail is heavy leather. I have a photo of a solid faceplate, SCA legal, which I shot in the Zurich museum. I'll post it when I go to the office if you are interested. The top on this helm is a spun top. I was tiered of people making the same old ugly helmets with spun tops. They kept saying, "Well what else can you build as easy!?" This was made in less than a week, with very little in the way of special forming tools. The brass trim was cut with a band saw and files.

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If all goes well, I'll have throatless shear (HF but hey for a payroll deduction from work).
Could you please post photo of face plate and the ISBN # of the above book?

;^p
Just a Norseman looking for an alternative persona..

Chris Gilman · Post by **Chris Gilman** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:15 pm

The Polish book is called "Stara bron w polskich zbiorach" Published in Warsaw in 1984. The only number that looks like it may help is: Nr prod. VIII-5/1330/83 M-23
Here is the helmet I photographed in Zurich. It's in the Swiss National Museum there. (Not on display) If memory serves, this was an 18th century helmet.
[img]http://www.globaleffects.com/tempimages/lobsterpot.jpg[/img]

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Sir Gaston Bonneville de la Croix MKA Chris Gilman

Hrolfr · Post by **Hrolfr** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 9:30 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Sir Gaston:
The Polish book is called "Stara bron w polskich zbiorach" Published in Warsaw in 1984. The only number that looks like it may help is: Nr prod. VIII-5/1330/83 M-23

Cool, thanks!

Here is the helmet I photographed in Zurich. It's in the Swiss National Museum there. (Not on display) If memory serves, this was an 18th century helmet.

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Yep, that's the faceplate I'm thinking of. After looking through some more of the patterns in the PA, and WMA suggestion, I think Sinric's conical pattern with the faceplate and proper lames and ear flaps would work, hehehehehe

Gocin · Post by **Gocin** » Sun Nov 24, 2002 2:04 am

When i look over the history of my country i see kussars wearing on there heads "szyszaki" that have no bar grill but since you have o use thaem my hart will not bleed. On i don't know if that will help but the book is "Stara broÃ± w polskich zbiorach" we hane in polisz lots of Ã± Å“ Ã¦ Ã³ Â¿ Å¸ and so on

Look closely at this site http://www.husaria.jest.pl/index.html and click on every link you can find.
I recomend a book called " Ze studiÃ³w nad polskÂ¹ zbrojÂ¹ husarskÂ¹" by Z. BocheÃ±ski that means "from studies oo polish hussar armour."

Hope that helps a litle

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Hrolfr · Post by **Hrolfr** » Mon Nov 25, 2002 9:09 am

Thanks for the link Gocin! When I get it done I'll have to post pics.
Yes we do need to have the bars to make it legal for SCA combat.

HrÃ³lfr

Gocin · Post by **Gocin** » Tue Nov 26, 2002 9:04 am

In the near future i will have few pics of hussar helms from the book " Stara broÃ± w polskich zbiorach" I will post them probably on Monday or sooner.

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Therion · Post by **Therion** » Wed Nov 27, 2002 5:32 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Galileo:
Check out Gundo's site - he has a nice Hussar helm on there.
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I'm the current owner of the Gundobad Hussar helmet ... and since I owe Gundobad some fresh pictures of the helmet, this thread was a good excuse to finally take them. The helm has been modified since the original construction: the eyeslots have been widened and the helmet face expanded a bit (to fit with my Khazar genetics

), and a pierced grill attached inside so that the helmet is steel fighting compatible -
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Chris Gilman · Post by **Chris Gilman** » Thu Nov 28, 2002 3:07 am

And this is supposed to be...What?

Gocin · Post by **Gocin** » Thu Nov 28, 2002 12:54 pm

Umm Terion this is not even close t a hussar helm. Hussars is the polish 17 cenutry cavalery. I'v posted the hussar helmet pics. Take a look and compare these pictures with yours. You will be amazed.

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Therion · Post by **Therion** » Fri Nov 29, 2002 10:25 pm

I've supplied pictures of the helm listed on Gundobad's site as referenced above. I'll leave it to Gundobad to explain his categorization of that helm.

Here are some research links, hussar oriented sites and information and arms and armor:

http://www.geocities.com/cossacksew/wingedhussars1.html

http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/PolishHorseArtillery.htm

http://www.husaria.biz/

I particularly recommend the second site listed above - it's by Rick Orli, one of the country's leading researchers into all things hussarish.

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