Leather Helms

[RenJunkie]

I was searching for other things this morning and ran across a thread talkling about a 5 leayer thick leather helm that was jokingly mentioned to be bulletproof. I believe Egfroth posted about it. Maybe Vendel era. Now, I have tried searching "leather", "helms", and "leather helms". I get a white screen staring dumbly back at me. Now I am curious about this sort of hat, and if anyone has good leads on people who have made them (the really heavy maybe combat worthy sort) on here, I would appreciate it. And if you know any way to make the search function give me answers on this, please let me know. I get frustrated by the white screen of death.

(EDIT): here's a link to the thread:

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... ht=villani

Thanks,
Christopher

[Benedek]

I think that all depends on which combat you are talking about. For SCA purposes the only way a leather helm is viable is to cover a list legal steel helmet with a leather facade. Now for LH or other groups I could not say much about. I am interested in seeing what anyone else has to say on the subject.

[Corby de la Flamme]

Not true.

My knight, Sir Tojeneraum, has a list legal leather helmet that's older than my involvement with the SCA. He wore it in battles this past Pennsic.

While the leather has a metal cage inside it, the cage by itself would be far from legal.

[Benedek]

Interesting to know, I would love if you would acquire some pics of it. It sounds fascinating.

[Kilkenny]

Not true.

My knight, Sir Tojeneraum, has a list legal leather helmet that's older than my involvement with the SCA. He wore it in battles this past Pennsic.

While the leather has a metal cage inside it, the cage by itself would be far from legal.

As I recall, that thing is heavy as all get out too. I have a distant recollection of when he made it. I also seem to recall the cage part being there to satisfy marshalls, not as a necessary part of the helm being safe.

Gavin

[Ivo]

Hello.

Think kolbenturier helmets.
Ugly as sin, face grille, constructed of a metal skeleton that is covered in cuir bouilli, painted and gilded.

http://www.landesmuseum-stuttgart.de/cg ... .php?nr=88

The metal underpinnings look something like his.

[sha-ul]

that is a very interesting helm...and they say bar grills aren't period.

do you suppose it was a helm for training or tourney?

[Kilkenny]

that is a very interesting helm...and they say bar grills aren't period.

do you suppose it was a helm for training or tourney?

I believe those are well documented as being for a particular kind of tourney. And one used to see bar grills in the SCA made *exactly* that way - vertical bars rivited at top and bottom - fairly often.

Gavin

[freiman the minstrel]

that is a very interesting helm...and they say bar grills aren't period.

do you suppose it was a helm for training or tourney?

I believe those are well documented as being for a particular kind of tourney. And one used to see bar grills in the SCA made *exactly* that way - vertical bars rivited at top and bottom - fairly often.

Gavin

Gavin,

I haven't researched this particular kind of helmet, but kolben turier translates as "piston tourney" and it appears to have been a tourney with batons or sticks shaped like swords.

I might be wrong.

f

[sha-ul]

I haven't researched this particular kind of helmet, but kolben turier translates as "piston tourney" and it appears to have been a tourney with batons or sticks shaped like swords.

I might be wrong.

f

so please tell me how this really differs from sca tourney?

the 2 sound very similar at least in principle

[Kilkenny]

I haven't researched this particular kind of helmet, but kolben turier translates as "piston tourney" and it appears to have been a tourney with batons or sticks shaped like swords.

I might be wrong.

f

so please tell me how this really differs from sca tourney?

the 2 sound very similar at least in principle

lessee. happened several hundred years ago... all the armour was authentic (not even reproduction - actual authentic)... there was serious prize money...

Honestly, what we do is very much parallel to these kloben tournies..

Gavin

[T. Finkas]

The big difference? They were mounted combat, not foot.

IIRC

[sha-ul]

the concept of batons or "s.s.o"(sword shaped objects) really does sound very similar to sca... has anyone really researched this format? what about their kits, how much is known?

[Corby de la Flamme]

Kolben also translates as "club" or "rifle butt".

Which goes to show that clearly, they were hitting each other with Springfield 30-06's, M-1's and bolt action Mausers.

[Benjamin de Hatfield]

Kolben also translates as "club" or "rifle butt".

Which goes to show that clearly, they were hitting each other with Springfield 30-06's, M-1's and bolt action Mausers.

Suh-weet. I know what my next period weapon is gonna be! Good looking out, Sir Corby

Hey, would I have to authorize in "Battle Rifle?" Or would that be under, say, Combat Archery?

-Ramius/Ben