Just saw on the EK Prince and Princess Website.....

[justus]

When I wear my long scabbard it effectively blocks the whole of my left leg, and I've had to be reminded, especially in melee, since I don't feel a thing if someone hits it.

If anything it is a disadvantage since I will always take the shot if someone tells me that they hit the scabbard, even if it might have been light, low ect.

I don't tend to wear it in tourney situations, since there really is no need.

-J

[Donald St. Colin]

This is a picture of The BMDL Baron and Baroness. Their personas have them wearing bat-wing sleeved tunics. Yes it can be hard to get a side shot. I believe that is why they were developed. I never heard anyone say that this was wrong. We all just adjusted. No one ever bitched about me fielding a 4 foot norman kite shield. They just hit me elsewhere. Scabards, pouches, et al... where a reality. If someone didn't feel the hit, they didn't feel it. Oh well. Swing again.

[Alcyoneus]

Well why don't you add a couple scabbards, chain lanyards, pouches, belt Bible, haute guards, and strap a shield to your back while you're at it.

You could also strap your helmet to your chest and back too.

[Luca Sogliano]

Well why don't you add a couple scabbards, chain lanyards, pouches, belt Bible, haute guards, and strap a shield to your back while you're at it.

You could also strap your helmet to your chest and back too.

Too poor, mostly. Otherwise, I or someone I know would have already tried.

[Geoffrey of Blesedale]

I guess I dont see the difference between long sleeves, and moving out of the "sweet spot" of a wrap. Both take power off the blow, yet one is deemed OK and the other not?

The former is passive, and if turning a telling blow into a light one before it lands, then is against the spirit of the rules.

The later is active and skillful and should be lauded.

What about plate armour? That's passive and "interferes" with the calibration of the blow.

What if you're wearing a sword or dagger in a scabbard as a back-up weapon?

Take the hit as though they weren't there - whats the issue?

Exactly my point. No need to forbid wearing them.

Thay have not been forbidden. His Highness phrases it as "can interfere with calibration in the list and SHOULD be left..." I see this as a way of simply saying that if you wear these items, you need to give consideration to how they may be affecting your game and adjust your play accordingly, as many here have described they already do.

[mordreth]

There is no need, if people have been taught properly.

But since there are people that can't see the difference between calibrating with armor, and wearing a big draping sleeve that slows down a shot before it reaches the armor, and calibrating as if the sleeve wasn't affecting the blow...

There was a fighter in my region who wore hanging sleeves which seemed to foul a number of attacks.
He figured out that when he was fighting me, or someone I had trained his tunics got the living snot ripped out of them, He asked if I was doing that on purpose I advised him that I had figured out how to throw a blow properly so that it could be gauged through his accouterments, and what was his problem with that?

[Duke Icefalcon]

Simply put, There have been problems in the East with some of this equipment. The Prinz is mearly calling attention to this and not forbidding it.

Robin- Konrad's Waffenrok is fairly thin and his calibration is exemplerary. I look up to him as an example of fair play and sportsmanship.

For all- Get to know Konrad and you will simply like the man. He is attempting to right problems that he sees as a future King. We all want to make a difference when we step into the role as a ruler and we try to make things better for all. He is young and will learn to pick his battles as he matures in the station that is set before him. I am confident that he will be an excellent ruler and will get even better with time and experience.

Be well,

[rob(in)]

Robin- Konrad's Waffenrok is fairly thin and his calibration is exemplerary. I look up to him as an example of fair play and sportsmanship.

i was marshaling that day, i have no doubts regarding his chivalrous conduct.

regardless, such garments, especially if the fighter is moving, can have a significant dampening effect on blows equal to capes/pouches/etc.

the whim, on the surface, just seemed a bit odd.

if this has been an evolving 'problem', it's purpose is now clear.

[Sigifrith Hauknefr]

My knight's solution (if you hit someone in the pouch or waffenrock or brim of the helm, and they don't take it):

If you need to be hit harder in the pouch (or for that matter, your 12 ga cuisses) - don't expect to NOT get hit that hard anywhere else. Your calibration is allowed to be 'heavy'; it is not allowed to be inconsistent.

Think about how hard you would be hit, in say, the kidneys (without a pouch) hard enough to feel it through a pouch or scabbard.

Oh, simply put, in the words of my Grandknight "You choose your own level of pain".

(as a point of clarification - I am not addressing this to anyone in particular; it's a generic 'you').

[Aaron]

The king's whim is the king's whim, and if I were to set foot in the Great Kingdom of the East, where I have many friends, I would follow both the spirit and letter of the whim.

But as an aside...is there an "attack on authencity" going on across the SCA? I've heard, "Great kit!" from many (and I enjoy that...I've got an ego the size of Texas), and I do work quite diligently to calibrate to "touch", and have even been able to call shots on my tassets as they swung out way out from my body...but...

...are historical items, like long sleaves, halberks, mail, or being "cap-a-pie" interfering with the sport aspect of our culture?

I do agree that some items can interfer, but should they? For example, I've hung a piece of silk from my buckler, being that it's my wife's favor. And when we were doing sword-and-buckler work locally, my opponent would get his sword wrapped up in the silk and then I'd smack him. Legal -- maybe. Cheezy -- yep! Historical -- quite possibly. So I wrapped up the favor into the buckler or wrapped it to my arm. But a piece of silk was stopping the fight.

Please forgive the bad diction and whatnot...I'm having a difficult week.

Asking for forgiveness (instead of permission),

-Aaron

[Donal Mac Ruiseart]

I wear my seax in it's sheath on my belt when I fight. Always. It is a part of my kit, one that I really feel naked without. I take shots that hit the scabbard as if it were not there.

I assume, Olaf, that that's a rattan seax you're talking about . . .

[Diglach Mac Cein]

I don't see an "attack on authenticity" - I see a circumstance where some people haven't learned to calibrate to the kingdom standard with the equipment they are using. No different than the guy who wears armor that requires him to calibrate by sound as much as sting.

I can't recall anyone I've fought where a sleeve or a pouch caught or absorbed a blow who didn't ask either myself or a marshal if that is what happened, and then took the blow. I fought against Sir Bardolph in crown, and his sleeves (big long angel wings) kept catching my shots to his body. He stopped, told me he was taking the blow - I told him not to, so he had the marshalls tie the sleeves out of the way.

But I can also imagine that there are those who "game" the system - turning an authentic appearance into a more subtle way to rhino. Shame that a small percentage of people mess up the game for everyone else.


Dilan

[olaf haraldson]

When I'm in armour, yes, it's rattan, and gets used while fighting. I have a steel one the same length with the same handle that I wear out of armour.

I wear my seax in it's sheath on my belt when I fight. Always. It is a part of my kit, one that I really feel naked without. I take shots that hit the scabbard as if it were not there.

I assume, Olaf, that that's a rattan seax you're talking about . . .

[Koredono]

I don't see an "attack on authenticity" - I see a circumstance where some people haven't learned to calibrate to the kingdom standard with the equipment they are using. No different than the guy who wears armor that requires him to calibrate by sound as much as sting.

I can't recall anyone I've fought where a sleeve or a pouch caught or absorbed a blow who didn't ask either myself or a marshal if that is what happened, and then took the blow. I fought against Sir Bardolph in crown, and his sleeves (big long angel wings) kept catching my shots to his body. He stopped, told me he was taking the blow - I told him not to, so he had the marshalls tie the sleeves out of the way.

I used to have a similar problem, only w/t the legs - my old haidate (Japanese thigh armor, plates attached to a padded apron) used to fly upwards whenever I rotated quickly, catching leg shots a foot or more from my legs; when people began complaining to me about it, I attached straps to them around my thighs so it wouldn't happen again.

But I can also imagine that there are those who "game" the system - turning an authentic appearance into a more subtle way to rhino. Shame that a small percentage of people mess up the game for everyone else.


Dilan

[Leo Medii]

Glad I got rid of all that silly armor I was wearing.

[white mountain armoury]

Glad I got rid of all that silly armor I was wearing.

Dude, I can send you my spare pair of heavy list pajamas, they even have footies and a flap

[Donald St. Colin]

WAR JAMMIES