Oilcloth Hunting

Gottfried the Northerner · Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:27 pm

I'm looking for some grey or black oilcloth. Anyone who can share a line on some would be greatly appreciated.

Ld Ragnar MacHardy · Post by **Ld Ragnar MacHardy** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:30 pm

can you be more exact as what you want?

Ragnar
Darknight Leathers

Maeryk · Post by **Maeryk** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:33 pm

http://reviews.ebay.com/What-is-REAL-OILCLOTH-and-what-isn-apos-t_W0QQugidZ10000000000952801?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:LISTINGS:5

You can always make your own. It involves fabric, and linseed oil.

Don't crumple it as it drys. That is a recipe for a house fire.

Ld Ragnar MacHardy · Post by **Ld Ragnar MacHardy** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:35 pm

ahh ok, Was wondering as I have some oil'd buffalo and was not sure if that was what he was talking about.

Ragnar
Darknight Leathers

Maeryk · Post by **Maeryk** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:37 pm

Ld Ragnar MacHardy wrote:ahh ok, Was wondering as I have some oil'd buffalo and was not sure if that was what he was talking about.

Ragnar
Darknight Leathers

ooh.. how thick is the buffalo? Is it like, sole thick? Garment thick? or somewhere in between?

I still have an ENTIRE soft-tanned elk hide somewhere, that is designated to be a leather cloak.. we're just afraid to cut into it.

Ld Ragnar MacHardy · Post by **Ld Ragnar MacHardy** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:40 pm

I don't have an exact weight on it but it is more like garment thickness I believe, but less than 9/11oz weight. I would have to go look at it in the shop.

I thick I am gonna have to start measuring out all my stuff lol.

Ragnar
Darknight Leathers

Gottfried the Northerner · Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:50 pm

Is all you have to do to make the stuff is soak some cloth in linseed oil, then?

Maeryk · Post by **Maeryk** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:51 pm

Gottfried the Northerner wrote:Is all you have to do to make the stuff is soak some cloth in linseed oil, then?

Well, not soak it, but stretch and brush the "good" side, yeah.

You can "renew" old oilcloth dusters and such the same way, actually.

Though you want to let them dry, free hanging, outside.

Linseed oil is exothermic. It gives off heat as it dries. THis causes spontaneous combustion in crumpled fabrics. That is very, very bad.

Gottfried the Northerner · Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:57 pm

Maeryk wrote:
Gottfried the Northerner wrote:Is all you have to do to make the stuff is soak some cloth in linseed oil, then?

Well, not soak it, but stretch and brush the "good" side, yeah.

You mean brush the oil into the cloth with it stretched over a frane or something?

Maeryk · Post by **Maeryk** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:03 pm

Gottfried the Northerner wrote:
Maeryk wrote:
Gottfried the Northerner wrote:Is all you have to do to make the stuff is soak some cloth in linseed oil, then?

Well, not soak it, but stretch and brush the "good" side, yeah.

You mean brush the oil into the cloth with it stretched over a frane or something?

Yup. The link I posted gives an overview.

You might find more info with a more in-depth search. I know you can also just rub canvas with vegetable oil and let it dry, as well. But Beyond that, I'm not sure.

Gottfried the Northerner · Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:10 pm

Thanks for the help, I'll give it a shot.

NotDukeOlaf2 · Post by **NotDukeOlaf2** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:16 pm

denverfabrics.com

Gottfried the Northerner · Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:19 pm

That stuff is the wrong kind of oilcloth, they use synthetics backed with some other cloth to make those. You can't find the stuff I want for anything online.

mordreth · Post by **mordreth** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:32 pm

I'll take a look for it I had an article on an oilskin "Surtout" for 18th century reenacting

Guillaume Beauvin · Post by **Guillaume Beauvin** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:41 pm

try page 66 of the panther primitives catalog...

http://pantherprimitives.com/2007-catalog.pdf

-Guillaume

Primvs Pavlvs · Post by **Primvs Pavlvs** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:46 am

Mark Baker shows how to make oil skin tarps in one of his videos for "Longhunter" re-enactors. However, I would highly suggest that you do not get near any flames! They are highly combustiable.

Also be sure to let it completely dry 100%, or as close as you can get. A guy that I used to trek with decided to take his tarp along on a hike before it was completely dried. Before the end of the trek I believe he had 20lbs worth of the forest stuck to the tarp like a giant flypaper. He ended up burning it before we left! :lol:

mordreth · Post by **mordreth** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:46 am

I couldn't find the article I was looking for last night, there is a good discussion on this at
http://www.historicaltrekking.com/forum ... t=oilcloth

you can pick up other threads by searching oilcloth & oilskin at the same site.

URGENT COMMENT - If you use a period/authentic style oilcloth for your camp fire discipline will become very important. There are modern products that don't produce as flammible a finished product

jcesarelli · Post by **jcesarelli** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:05 am

There are good products out there for reproofing oilskins. They are a combination of oils and wax. This is one of them, though certainly not the only one. They can be used to "create" oilskin if you already have the correct fabric:
http://outdoorwearpros.com/pro325461.html

Harry Marinakis · Post by **Harry Marinakis** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:16 am

I have been experimenting with canvas and boiled linseed oil to make oilcloth.

Linseed oil turns the canvas yellow but then lightens up when it dries.

And the end result is a fabric that exhibits a trace of water repellency for the first several drops of water, and then the water soaks straight through the fabric.

Andrew Batten · Post by **Andrew Batten** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:50 am

I have also found that commercial linseed oil, both boiled and raw, is very, very hard on most fabric. Even when allowed to properly cure, it can make canvas very brittle and prone to tearing.

Mark Griffin · Post by **Mark Griffin** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:29 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EreqG0_PLQ

for some cheery advice and footage.

Primvs Pavlvs · Post by **Primvs Pavlvs** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:24 am

Harry Marinakis wrote:I have been experimenting with canvas and boiled linseed oil to make oilcloth.

Linseed oil turns the canvas yellow but then lightens up when it dries.

And the end result is a fabric that exhibits a trace of water repellency for the first several drops of water, and then the water soaks straight through the fabric.

Have you tried sizing the fabric first? I have known individuals to use wallpaper sizing prior to applying the waterproofing and obtaining better results.

Harry Marinakis · Post by **Harry Marinakis** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:05 pm

Primvs Pavlvs wrote:Have you tried sizing the fabric first? I have known individuals to use wallpaper sizing prior to applying the waterproofing and obtaining better results.

No, never heard of that. Got any specific product recommendations?

I repeated my tests using more boiled linseed oil, less thinner, and more coats. The results were unchanged. The cloth repelled the first few drops of water, but then the water soaked the fabric and it started leaking.

Paladin74 · Post by **Paladin74** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:02 am

Holy thread-o-mancy, Batman! This thing was almost exactly 7 years dead! lol

Primvs Pavlvs · Post by **Primvs Pavlvs** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:07 am

Harry Marinakis wrote:
Primvs Pavlvs wrote:Have you tried sizing the fabric first? I have known individuals to use wallpaper sizing prior to applying the waterproofing and obtaining better results.
No, never heard of that. Got any specific product recommendations?

I repeated my tests using more boiled linseed oil, less thinner, and more coats. The results were unchanged. The cloth repelled the first few drops of water, but then the water soaked the fabric and it started leaking.

No specific brands and no experience. I have been told that it allows the linseed to bond better with the fabric surface instead of permeating it. My experience is very limited but I did mix Japan dryer into mine to help dry it quicker, it seem to work.

Johann Lederer · Post by **Johann Lederer** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:46 pm

I made a ACW style poncho with boiled linseed oil, lamp black that I collected and Japan drier, three years ago. I threw it out last year because it had never dried properly. Probably my fault. I made another with thinned black latex paint, cornstarch sizing instead of wall paper paste (probably the same thing!) and then a coat of linseed oil on top. That one dried and works well.

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