Karacsonyfalva Wall-Painting

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:27 pm

I'm finally figuring out how to do the whole "load up an album" thing. Slowly but surely I'll be making more of what I've got available.

Here are paintings from Karacsonyfalva, in Transylvania, depicting the xxxxxc 1096 battle of Kerles... sorta. Also depicting a part of an absolutely ANCIENT story that stretches all the way across the Eurasian steppe...

(Edited for Brain Fart: the Oghuz and Pechenegs are long gone by the time the Mongols roll through)

http://picasaweb.google.com/scholarsvoices/KaracsonyfalvaWallPainting

Lorenz De Thornham · Post by **Lorenz De Thornham** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:47 am

Interesting armour ,swords, ETC

Looks like Bazubands?

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:51 am

Been telling you guys for years, that Hungary's got all the western stuff, smashed in with all the eastern stuff. Notice the "khyber knife?"

Lorenz De Thornham · Post by **Lorenz De Thornham** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:21 am

The Falchion type huge Bowie thing , yes I noticed that, sure somebody will have a name for it.

I kept thinking that some of the archers in Froisiart are wearing Bazubands, but then hadn't seen any others till the English Civil War.

Thanks Russ.

audax · Post by **audax** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:33 pm

Very, very cool. Thanks, Russ.

Friedrich Parcifal · Post by **Friedrich Parcifal** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:30 pm

Thanks for sharing!

James Arlen Gillaspie · Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:41 pm

Russ, were the paintings of the battle of Kerles done in the 14th c.? Interesting to see aventailed (round topped) bacinets and very complete limb armour (sans gauntlets).

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:55 pm

Beginning of the XIVth, yes, that is correct. If you find a copy online, you'll find that it follows the same schema as the wallpainting from Gelence.

Kilkenny · Post by **Kilkenny** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:45 pm

The archery details are terrific. Interesting quivers, and the hanging of the sword behind the bow quiver.

Good stuff.

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:42 pm

You find that this is variable. Some paintings show them on top, some behind. I personally prefer behind, myself -- I feel like I can get to both more easily that way, but I know folks who swear that whichever is on the outside is easiest to get to...

Kilkenny · Post by **Kilkenny** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:52 pm

Russ Mitchell wrote:You find that this is variable. Some paintings show them on top, some behind. I personally prefer behind, myself -- I feel like I can get to both more easily that way, but I know folks who swear that whichever is on the outside is easiest to get to...

That makes sense. I would take the painting as pretty firm evidence that they wore them together and on the same side. The details of which falls exactly where, I would think can be left to everyone's personal preference.

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:15 pm

Oh. I get it now. No, that's not even an object of scholarly debate: sabre and bowcase on the left, arrows on the right, javelins, if any, on the horse and to the right, saddle weapons to front and rear. Relatively lightly armored, but armed to the teeth with a variety of specialty tools.

Kilkenny · Post by **Kilkenny** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:35 pm

Russ Mitchell wrote:Oh. I get it now. No, that's not even an object of scholarly debate: sabre and bowcase on the left, arrows on the right, javelins, if any, on the horse and to the right, saddle weapons to front and rear. Relatively lightly armored, but armed to the teeth with a variety of specialty tools.

Your field of study, so you know these things

Not mine, and so this painting is probably the best example I've seen, and as far as I know, the only one of a European variety. I'm sure there are many things that are old hat to you that would come as news to me. Which is fine - I am constantly playing catch-up

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:09 pm

Would twenty-some additional wall-paintings just like this come as a welcome surprise?

Kilkenny · Post by **Kilkenny** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:22 pm

Russ Mitchell wrote:Would twenty-some additional wall-paintings just like this come as a welcome surprise?

lol.. indeed they would. This has been a good week for "new-to-me" information.

Russ Mitchell · Post by **Russ Mitchell** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:15 pm

My wife has copy of the latest book on them in Budapest. Come christmas or so, I'll have her try to bring it home..