Klap visors and melees

[white mountain armoury]

You pulling my leg Roak

[Leo Medii]

Get in line jackals!

[RoaK]

Not really... I'd like to see your helm with the visor on and up... like you would to look around in a melee... or... if you were on the field and had to address your king or some other superiors you should hold your visor up when you speak to them (as a form of respect and so they can see who’s talking to them).

It also shows them your weapon hand…

By the way; does the visor lock in the up position or do you have to hold it up?

Agh... I see, after looking at your pictures again (after I posted this) It looks like your visor is either on or off your helm and is not hinged to move up or down. Am I seeing that correctly?

You pulling my leg Roak

[white mountain armoury]

Not really... I'd like to see your helm with the visor on and up... like you would to look around in a melee... or... if you were on the field and had to address your king or some other superiors you should hold your visor up when you speak to them (as a form of respect and so they can see who’s talking to them).

It also shows them your weapon hand…

By the way; does the visor lock in the up position or do you have to hold it up?

Agh... I see, after looking at your pictures again (after I posted this) It looks like your visor is either on or off your helm and is not hinged to move up or down. Am I seeing that correctly?

You pulling my leg Roak

Its not a hinge so to speak, but does behave like one, I made it so it can be removed and tossed aside very fast, it will flip up but it needs to be held there.
Ill snap a pic for you

[Gunthar]

Well I'd certainly be interested in buying a helm like that with the grill and a lifting visor and chainmaille camail. Very cool look and concept.

[Lord_Wolf]

Would defintely sell like hotcakes.

[white mountain armoury]

Personally I would like to see face-thrust rules changed to reflect a helm as worn standard to encourage closed faces but thats not going to happen anytime soon.

+1

And people should wear armor.

I dont face thrust anyone with a closed helm or visor, its just something I am into in an attempt to make it a little more real

[Armand d'Alsace]

Personally I would like to see face-thrust rules changed to reflect a helm as worn standard to encourage closed faces but thats not going to happen anytime soon.
Sean

I respectfully disagree.
The one thing we cannot protect ourselves from without attaching the helmet to the breastplate is whiplash damage to the neck, and therefore thrusts to the face(preferably to the head in general, but _that's_ not gonna happen anytime soon ) should always require less force than to the body for safety reasons.

[white mountain armoury]

Personally I would like to see face-thrust rules changed to reflect a helm as worn standard to encourage closed faces but thats not going to happen anytime soon.
Sean

I respectfully disagree.
The one thing we cannot protect ourselves from without attaching the helmet to the breastplate is whiplash damage to the neck, and therefore thrusts to the face(preferably to the head in general, but _that's_ not gonna happen anytime soon ) should always require less force than to the body for safety reasons.

I dont think he is refrencing force, the point is a thrust to the face of a closed helm would have little effect when compared to an open face helm.

[Armand d'Alsace]

Oh, I quite agree that a thrust versus plate would have significantly less effect than a thrust versus bare skin.

However the risk of injury to helmeted fighters remain the same wether the helmet has a grill or a faceplate.
I actually advocate "facethrust" rules for the entire head since I'm concerned with the risk of whiplash injuries to the neck.

I quite agree that there is a significant disadvantage in having limited vision, or wearing 40 pounds of armour instead of ten, or using gauntlets instead of baskethilts.


But I believe that that is better addressed by tournamets like the 30 instead of regulating it in the rules.

[Sean Powell]

Hello Angrin,

This far down in the level of quotes I'm fairly certain my original intent may be miscommunicated. In the east kingdom we have a face thrust convention for the face ONLY. The rest of the helm is PROOF against thrusts and are not to be targeted at full force without risk of censure and removal from the list.

I was advocating that for those people who choose to fight with the advantage provided by an open face suffer the same risk as those people in period who chose to fight with an open face in period: the risk of being stabed in the face under the conventional 'face thrusting' rules. Contrawise those people who elect to fight in a closed face helm should have the benefits of wearing a closed face helm in period and be imune to thrusts to the face.

I was NOT trying to imply that a closed face helm should be struck with regular force thrusting... but I can see how that could have been misconstrued from the above.

Personally, while Cot30 is not my particular time period, I would gladly adopt those rules for just about all combat beyond newbie tourney level. Yes it takes a little more training but the skill of the average stick-jock is higher then you might expect.

Sean

[Armand d'Alsace]

Hi Sean
What you wrote makes a lot more sense now, but ( leaving my reaction to the convention [I cannot find it in your kingdom law] of not taking thrusts) aside;

I think that we could either play by the "What You See Is What You Get" rule, in witch case we would have to rewrite the rules completely, comparing plastic to horsehair etc. for it to be fair.

Or we use the "everyone is considered to wear the same" set of rules, no matter what you actually wear set of rules that we are using today.

I like the simplicity of the rules we have, but would suggest to you that you get the SEM's permission to start a test to see if you can create a "Armour as Worn" system.

Until then, just the thirties, or similar tourney ideas as testing grounds.

You know I want to create a secondary persona just to be able to participate in the 30:s right?