please help a beginer with lamellar.

owen matthew · Post by **owen matthew** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:22 am

Thanks fro the hel evryone. Its really moving along, and my hands are raw from the lacing! I am running into a bit of trouble now with the shaping of the finished vest. Not as easy as I thought.

Agnarr · Post by **Agnarr** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:24 am

owen matthew wrote:Thanks fro the hel evryone. Its really moving along, and my hands are raw from the lacing! I am running into a bit of trouble now with the shaping of the finished vest. Not as easy as I thought.

How are you going to buckle it? both sides or one side?

audax · Post by **audax** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:34 am

owen matthew wrote:Thanks fro the hel evryone. Its really moving along, and my hands are raw from the lacing! I am running into a bit of trouble now with the shaping of the finished vest. Not as easy as I thought.

It shouldn't be difficult at all. What are you trying to do?

owen matthew · Post by **owen matthew** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:59 am

I guess it is getting contour built in. I made several long bands, then laced them together, and now I have a tube. I am not the same shape all the way up. I am starting to think I should have made a front and a back and tied them together at the end.

What do you think?

Arcane Barrette · Post by **Arcane Barrette** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:19 pm

That is what I did with mine and what I plan to do with the suit that I am currently working on. Making it in two panels (front and back) enables you to resize it at will. I made mine so that it had an extra three or four plates at each end of each back row to allow for a little overlap. It works really well, especially in plastic.

Arcane

Maelgwyn · Post by **Maelgwyn** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:25 pm

1. Add a rectangle above the tube in front and back for added coverage.
2. Add shoulder straps between these rectangles.
3. If desired, add rectangles over each hip.
4. Put on armour like a t-shirt.
5. Put on a belt to achieve snug/contoured fit.

Done!

Milan · Post by **Milan** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:38 pm

If you feel up to it and have a few ages to spare, you can add a leather edging to the lamellar that will really spiffy it up. Here's a picture of the edge of my lamellar (from a while back, it has been redone) that will give you the general idea. Warning, this picture has not been scaled down, hence I am not including it directly into this post.
HERE
and HERE

On the concave connections, make sure that the edging overlaps the edging from the other edge.

Kat_H · Post by **Kat_H** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:55 pm

Homer, your plates should overlap horizontally. The two holes on each side of a plate should be directly above or below the two holes on the sides of the plates next to it. Look at the picture Audax provided for what it should look like. Someone else provided a lacing pattern.

I can appreciate the effort to which you went to make a lacing solution from scratch, but what you have created is largely non-functional as armour without that overlap (and with your vertical overlap almost non-existent). The horizontal bands of plates should be fairly rigid; when those bands are connected into their final arrangement of vertical overlap, there should be a little play in that connection.

If you want to leave it as it is, I'd suggest spray-painting it a mix of black and brown, and detailing in some rust-streaks. Wear it over dark leathers and some ratty fake or rabbit fur dyed black or brown, and you'll have LOTR orc armour. That's honestly about the only use I can see for it as-is.

Agnarr · Post by **Agnarr** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:14 pm

Kat_H wrote:Homer, your plates should overlap horizontally. The two holes on each side of a plate should be directly above or below the two holes on the sides of the plates next to it. Look at the picture Audax provided for what it should look like. Someone else provided a lacing pattern.

I can appreciate the effort to which you went to make a lacing solution from scratch, but what you have created is largely non-functional as armour without that overlap (and with your vertical overlap almost non-existent). The horizontal bands of plates should be fairly rigid; when those bands are connected into their final arrangement of vertical overlap, there should be a little play in that connection.

If you want to leave it as it is, I'd suggest spray-painting it a mix of black and brown, and detailing in some rust-streaks. Wear it over dark leathers and some ratty fake or rabbit fur dyed black or brown, and you'll have LOTR orc armour. That's honestly about the only use I can see for it as-is.

Where i truly must say I enjoy Orks,

Please don't.

audax · Post by **audax** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:04 pm

owen matthew wrote:I guess it is getting contour built in. I made several long bands, then laced them together, and now I have a tube. I am not the same shape all the way up. I am starting to think I should have made a front and a back and tied them together at the end.

What do you think?

It would be easier if you'd have laced them together in groups of ten then laced the tens together etc.

But to contour the stuff all you should need to do is add or remove a few plates. Want it tighter in the waist? Take out a couple of plates. Want it wider in the chest area? Add a few plates. You can also belt it or buckle it tighter or looser.

YOu can buckle it on the sides, in front, on one side or the other or not at all. It's very versatile armour.

tdool · Post by **tdool** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:58 pm

I made a set for my brother, which was used in his wedding. I went for the front buckled up version that they use to have on plastic lamellar, but now don't seem to have that link any more.

I have a post on our local SCA site of the build. Check it out here http://xsorbit27.com/users5/upperisland ... opic=886.0

Tomm

owen matthew · Post by **owen matthew** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:36 am

tdool wrote:I made a set for my brother, which was used in his wedding. I went for the front buckled up version that they use to have on plastic lamellar, but now don't seem to have that link any more.

I have a post on our local SCA site of the build. Check it out here http://xsorbit27.com/users5/upperisland ... opic=886.0

Tomm

Tomm,

i see a book on your table that has a picture of a vest pattern. What is that book, or can you scan me that picture please? I think I have become a master of the technique, but not of the vest in hole... I think I may be undoing it, and starting over to get it right.

Thanks,
Owen