Scale aventail question

retroblaze · Post by **retroblaze** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:47 pm

Just wondering what cultures/periods used scale as neck protection. (Eastern European/ Mongols?). How common were they? I've seen pictures of warriors clad in what appears a full scale coif.
Any ideas about their use and construction?(i.e. maybe by use only by cetain ranks i.e. similar to Munitions grade Japanese 'tatami' helmets being issued to generally to the lower ranks)

ushumgal · Post by **ushumgal** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:15 pm

They are attested iconographically for the Byzantines (don't know exactly when), and also for the Middle East in the early Sasanian Period. I seem to recall that the Carolingians may have used them, but cannot say for certain.

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Ernst · Post by **Ernst** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:52 am

Scale aventails appear in the eastern HRE, particularly Bohemia, and in some German sources in the 14th century. There are a number of depictions of scale coifs, rather more of a skull-cap, in a number of German sources from the late 14th to early 16th centuries.