Helmet Liner and padding under armor

Esperanza · Post by **Esperanza** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:44 pm

Has anyone ever tried these?

http://www.knownworldt.com/combat%20Goods.htm

Looking for opinions before I buy them.

Thanks

Esperanza

William Freskyn Murray · Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:19 pm

don't know anyone who has reviewed the helm liners but the leg armor got a good review here:

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... ed+cuisses

basically looks like a good product if you're willing to modify it slightly.

hope that helps
Will

UlrichvR · Post by **UlrichvR** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:06 pm

Well I am the guy selling them. People love them; they are more comfortable and keeps your head much cooler. I can't have enough to sell. That said.. I will be the first to tell you don't buy unless you try with your helm! The sallet style is about an inch thick padding and some folks have trouble getting their heads in. WE ARE making new ones with less padding about 1/2 inch thick. The bascinat style is thinner and fits most. But its not designed for all helms. They are linen outside and cotten batting inside. Those who use them swear by them. Most of the sales come from events where people try them on. We sold about 40 at Gulf Wars. As many as I sell I am surprised no one else has given them a review. Maybe that will change here soon. Ulrich

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:08 am

UlrichvR wrote:Well I am the guy selling them. People love them; they are more comfortable and keeps your head much cooler. I can't have enough to sell. That said.. I will be the first to tell you don't buy unless you try with your helm! The sallet style is about an inch thick padding and some folks have trouble getting their heads in. WE ARE making new ones with less padding about 1/2 inch thick. The bascinat style is thinner and fits most. But its not designed for all helms. They are linen outside and cotten batting inside. Those who use them swear by them. Most of the sales come from events where people try them on. We sold about 40 at Gulf Wars. As many as I sell I am surprised no one else has given them a review. Maybe that will change here soon. Ulrich

Well, if you send me one, I would be more than happy to eval it for you.

I have handled these first hand. While I have not put one in my helm, they are very well made, thick, soft, and comfortable. Well worth the price.

Sigurd of Jorvik · Post by **Sigurd of Jorvik** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:45 am

Those look really nice. Does one sew them into the helm?

-Sean

Sean Powell · Post by **Sean Powell** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:31 am

generichead wrote:Those look really nice. Does one sew them into the helm?

-Sean

There are extant period bascinets with lots of little lacing holes presumed to be used for sewing liners directly to the steel (not certain if any with this construction have extant remainings of the padding). There are other helms and I think some bascinets included that had a leather strip riveted in place and the liner sewn to the leather strip.

There are modern helms with leather riveted in and velcro sewn to the leather or the velcro directly riveted in place so the liner can be quickly inserted, worn, removed, washed and re-inserted. I plan on doing this to my next helm so I can remove the sweaty liner from the (heavily painted) spring steel.

UlrichvR: A) What are you using for padding? all natural fibers? B) If I were to send you a duct-tape patern of the inside of my close helm could you duplicate the design by modifying your bascinet pattern? 1/2" thick. I would also like a padded chin-piece of similar thickness and can send the pattern as well.

(Usually I would ask my wife to sew these but she is very busy with her masters degree and her project back-log is immense. The last time I sewed a helm liner on her machine I broke the machine... days before our wedding and neither her dress or my houpelond were done yet. That cost me big-time. I've learned not touch her tools and she dosn't use my planishing hammer for driving nails to hang pictures.)

Sean

Rana · Post by **Rana** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:25 am

Sean Powell wrote: ...The last time I sewed a helm liner on her machine I broke the machine... days before our wedding and neither her dress or my houpelond were done yet. That cost me big-time...

Oh. My. Gosh. I am surprised you are still roaming the earth. Congrats!

Parlan · Post by **Parlan** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:49 am

I'm really interested in the basinet liner.

How has the cotton batting held up over time?
Does it ball up?
Does it compress?
What happens when it is washed?

My helmet has room for 1/2-5/8" closed cell foam. Will this liner work?

Thanks!!!

-Parlan

Sean Powell · Post by **Sean Powell** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:59 pm

Rana wrote:
Sean Powell wrote: ...The last time I sewed a helm liner on her machine I broke the machine... days before our wedding and neither her dress or my houpelond were done yet. That cost me big-time...

Oh. My. Gosh. I am surprised you are still roaming the earth. Congrats!

Go to store with wife. Say "A sewing machine is a glorified jig-saw. How much could a replacement posibly cost?" Have you wife pick out a top of the line CNC model that does everything except serve coffee while you watch it sew for you. Hand the sales lady your credit card and cry as you realize that any cash you had hoped to receive as a wedding gift has just been spent.

It was a scary few minutes but she got a sewing machine upgrade and I got to keep my life... fair trade in most circles.

Sean

Parlan · Post by **Parlan** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:36 pm

Sean Powell wrote:Go to store with wife. Say "A sewing machine is a glorified jig-saw. How much could a replacement posibly cost?" ...

Sean

In this case, what would "YOU WEREN'T THINKING WITH YOUR DIPSTICK, JIMMY!" be?

UlrichvR · Post by **UlrichvR** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:32 pm

generichead: I tell people there are two easy ways to put in the helm:

1. put velcro tabs in helm, use hot glue gun to put tabs on liner. You can take in and out to wash

2. Hot glue gun the the liner in the helm.

3. if you already have the holes in the helm...sew it in.

They are linen outside and cotton batting inside. Hold up extremely well. Does not bunch up. Compresses a little over time, sweat and washing. Ulrich

Parlan · Post by **Parlan** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:39 pm

Worth giving one a shot. PM on the way....

Glaukos the Athenian · Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:53 pm

I use the "bascinet" type in my "norse" helmet. It is a bit different when you first try it because it does not feel like the blue foam of death. Once you get used to it, I find it much, much better than the foam I use in my other helms.. make sure there is enough space as these run on the big side. They are excellent in my opinion, and very protective..

Now if I could get one thinner and shaped for my Corinthian......

Rowan