The Armour Archive

I was laughing tears:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLCLljsihzk

So these are the battle of nations guys!

I see that this is also discussed here:
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... p?t=118508

and here:
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... p?t=119047
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... p?t=118203

as its not an SCA event, or even remotely close to it, surely the answer to the question "how many rules/conventions broken?" is "none".



shame that there never seemed to be any of the planned announcements which were due from the guys in the schola st george WMA group who were wanting to arrange the team... seems their website has died since then too.

I would've loved to be producing the weapons for it, but I fear with it now being october, it's starting to get too late to have batches of weapons delivered before their april event date, and have the participants have enough time to be familliar with the weapons of choice. :/

All I gotta say is I have a newfound respect for poleaxes...

having a 2inch bill directed at your helm is a bit freaky.

I *am* interested in eventually going into live steel...

But yeah they're kinda upping the bar eh?

It can't be real, I didnt see any shields explode when struck....


Thor.

I am going

So I gotta ask, where does the safety aspect come into mind? I mean seriously, those poleaxes were a bit freaky, and when it comes to SCA vs Tuchux conventions I'd be more along the lines of the tuchux but that's my choice.

the rebated steel I've seen in my area pull their shots, I'd take sca over them as far as speed of combat goes.

But when it all comes down to the wire we're all a bit nuts, what's you're acceptable level?

Nissan Maxima wrote:I am going

Spring 2011?
Pole, shield, or both?

Is Brandr still acting as lead organizer?
The StG Schola forums seem to be unavailable to the public.

Ron Broberg wrote:

Nissan Maxima wrote:I am going

Spring 2011?
Pole, shield, or both?

Is Brandr still acting as lead organizer?
The StG Schola forums seem to be unavailable to the public.

Spring 2011
I haven't heard from Brandr in a while. Doesn't matter, I am still going. This thing has grabbed my attention. I have a training partner who is getting out of prison soon and I will be working out for this weekly with him. I have been doing pell work daily with steel.

I plan to fight either sword and shield or sword and axe in singles and poleaxe if we field a team.

Nissan Maxima wrote:I have a training partner who is getting out of prison soon and I will be working out for this weekly with him.

As Rory said in Blade Runner: <em>That's the spirit!</em>

Got to say ... Maxim's shovel bascinet caught my eye today.
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... ?p=1809866

But then so did a whole bunch of late-16th C stuff elsewhere.
I haven't fought in 2 years ... but maybe the blood is beginning to move again ...

(To be very clear - I am making absolutely no commitments or suggestions at this time that I am attending ... )

I'm still wondering why their gear still looks really good after all that.

Nissan Maxima wrote:I am going

Beautiful kit. Great job. I really like the offset from the blackened gaunnts and sabatons.

I wish I could fight in BoN, but funds will be an issue for several years.

D. Sebastian wrote:I'm still wondering why their gear still looks really good after all that.

bizarre as it sounds, from everything I've seen (but, I hasten to add, this is pulled straight from my arse with nothing to really back it up in way of evidence), the SCA style rattan fighting seems to emphasise smacking a *lot* more force into the other person than most rebated steel fights use.

Suzerain wrote:

D. Sebastian wrote:I'm still wondering why their gear still looks really good after all that.

bizarre as it sounds, from everything I've seen (but, I hasten to add, this is pulled straight from my arse with nothing to really back it up in way of evidence), the SCA style rattan fighting seems to emphasise smacking a *lot* more force into the other person than most rebated steel fights use.

Going just on the Battle of Nations video posted above, I have to agree. With a few exceptions, every really stout blow I saw landed was a polearm or mass weapon. These guys don't seem to use a lot of power generation technique. I'm a lightweight myself when it comes to hitting, but I know it when I see it, and I wasn't seeing it.

My bet. Nissan's gonna eat em for breakfast.

I want to go. It's the coming up with the funds, and finding someone to take care of an entire farm for a week that is proving hard.

Heck, I want to, and have been doing it here in the US. It is one of the small reasons I have been scarce at SCA stuff since Pennsic is because there is a really local historical study group that was willing to meet at my farm instead of where we were. It's pretty freeing to only have a couple of rules to follow and the freedom to just go at it.

William de Faleston wrote: These guys don't seem to use a lot of power generation technique. I'm a lightweight myself when it comes to hitting, but I know it when I see it, and I wasn't seeing it.

its one of the weird things with the SCA, looking at it from the outside in...

it seems to have developed a culture, from what I've seen, of using very thick, heavier armour than european reenactors, so as a result, there's a culture of hitting much harder to get the shots recognised through the armour - of course, that's meant armour is made thicker... so hits have been made harder, and so on, in a vicious cycle.

most of the european reenactors dont do the whole power generation, because if you did in a reenactment event, the instant reaction would be "what the fuck are you trying to do, you idiot?", and you'd be kicked off the field, while in a WMA context, the reaction would be "you dont need to throw that hard, pulling the shot to land dead on the target without massive impact is enough".

its an interesting contrast between the cultures and the approach to combat.

but again, I'm not an SCA member, so that's just from what I've seen, viewed, read, etc, and so I'm potentially talking gobshite.

Where can I find the rules for this?

Raulin Arbor wrote:Where can I find the rules for this?

Try here: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_ur ... =yfp-t-887

Suzerain wrote:as its not an SCA event, or even remotely close to it, surely the answer to the question "how many rules/conventions broken?" is "none".

Actually, after reading over the rules Brandr sent to me and re-watching the video(s) they break just about every rule they have in place. Usually within the first 3 seconds of combat.

I was signed up to go but haven't heard a peep about the event since prior to Pennsic. There was supposed to be a gathering @ Pennsic to get the group moving forward but I have not heard a thing about it. I'm guessing it was not a successful meeting.

GreenShield

Greenshield wrote:

Suzerain wrote:as its not an SCA event, or even remotely close to it, surely the answer to the question "how many rules/conventions broken?" is "none".

Actually, after reading over the rules Brandr sent to me and re-watching the video(s) they break just about every rule they have in place. Usually within the first 3 seconds of combat.

I was signed up to go but haven't heard a peep about the event since prior to Pennsic. There was supposed to be a gathering @ Pennsic to get the group moving forward but I have not heard a thing about it. I'm guessing it was not a successful meeting.

GreenShield

but it remains, its not an SCA event, so it cant be breaking SCA rules.

any more than an F1 car is breaking nascar rules. (though I'd like to see the f1 car enter the daytona 500 - how many laps would it last before it got squeezed/rubbed/otherwise nailed?).

now if the thread (which has had its title changed) had been "how many SCA rules would this break, if we fought like this?" then it'd have been a very different answer.

(and my answer would've been "I dont care, if you look and fight like that, I'm joining the SCA now!" )




that aside, it is a real shame that the meeting at pennsic did'nt get off the ground, as I said in the old thread, I would have loved to be producing the weapons for the team for the event, and would've been honoured to offer my skills to do a bespoke batch.

Ah well. another year, maybe. If people get organised, keep me in mind, my stuff was in the other thread to see.

Greenshield wrote:

Suzerain wrote:as its not an SCA event, or even remotely close to it, surely the answer to the question "how many rules/conventions broken?" is "none".

Actually, after reading over the rules Brandr sent to me and re-watching the video(s) they break just about every rule they have in place. Usually within the first 3 seconds of combat.

I was signed up to go but haven't heard a peep about the event since prior to Pennsic. There was supposed to be a gathering @ Pennsic to get the group moving forward but I have not heard a thing about it. I'm guessing it was not a successful meeting.

GreenShield

Bummer we live so far apart. We've got about 8 guys in this area who are playing by these rules with SCA weapons.

Greenshield wrote:

Suzerain wrote:as its not an SCA event, or even remotely close to it, surely the answer to the question "how many rules/conventions broken?" is "none".

Actually, after reading over the rules Brandr sent to me and re-watching the video(s) they break just about every rule they have in place. Usually within the first 3 seconds of combat.

I was signed up to go but haven't heard a peep about the event since prior to Pennsic. There was supposed to be a gathering @ Pennsic to get the group moving forward but I have not heard a thing about it. I'm guessing it was not a successful meeting.

GreenShield

I am going and would love the company.

nissan I can see you getting in trouble if you are going sca speed with sca power.

they seem to play by different rules.
I have been asked if I was interested but the wife is not so much.
her first war saw me go down with a severed ACL.
still it sounds very interesting.

Don't worry. I never hit anyone any harder than I can.

I'm pretty sure he meant breaking their own rules, not SCA.

I would love to see those rules.

Thor.

Suzerain wrote:

Greenshield wrote:

Suzerain wrote:as its not an SCA event, or even remotely close to it, surely the answer to the question "how many rules/conventions broken?" is "none".

Actually, after reading over the rules Brandr sent to me and re-watching the video(s) they break just about every rule they have in place. Usually within the first 3 seconds of combat.

I was signed up to go but haven't heard a peep about the event since prior to Pennsic. There was supposed to be a gathering @ Pennsic to get the group moving forward but I have not heard a thing about it. I'm guessing it was not a successful meeting.

GreenShield

but it remains, its not an SCA event, so it cant be breaking SCA rules.

any more than an F1 car is breaking nascar rules. (though I'd like to see the f1 car enter the daytona 500 - how many laps would it last before it got squeezed/rubbed/otherwise nailed?).

now if the thread (which has had its title changed) had been "how many SCA rules would this break, if we fought like this?" then it'd have been a very different answer.

(and my answer would've been "I dont care, if you look and fight like that, I'm joining the SCA now!" )




that aside, it is a real shame that the meeting at pennsic did'nt get off the ground, as I said in the old thread, I would have loved to be producing the weapons for the team for the event, and would've been honoured to offer my skills to do a bespoke batch.

Ah well. another year, maybe. If people get organised, keep me in mind, my stuff was in the other thread to see.

Thorstenn wrote:I'm pretty sure he meant breaking their own rules, not SCA.

I would love to see those rules.

Thor.

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_ur ... =yfp-t-887

Suzerain wrote:

Greenshield wrote:

Suzerain wrote:as its not an SCA event, or even remotely close to it, surely the answer to the question "how many rules/conventions broken?" is "none".

You should re-read my post. If it was unclear, I apologize. I am well aware it is not an SCA event and the rules Brandr sent me were the translated rules sent by the Battle of Nations people. The rules I speak of being broken in the videos I have seen are the BoN rules.

G

hmmm
I wondered how they kept the combatants from accidently striking someone in the unarmoured spots.

evidently this is a very serious foul. one such than when it happens and there is an injury that particular command forfeits the rest of the tournament?:

" Here it is also all more, or is less understandable.
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Gerhard von Liebau wrote:The original title to this thread was something like "How many SCA conventions are being broken here?" It has since been edited. That's what Suzerain's initial response was aimed at.

-Gerhard

thanks for that gerhard. I was rather wondering if I was going completely senile...

rules moved to different thread

I'd practise loads of Judo to compete and maybe some Greco.

Suzerain wrote:thanks for that gerhard. I was rather wondering if I was going completely senile...

No problem. I actually deleted the post because I figured you weren't senile, so you could probably defend yourself in that regard. But I'm glad to be of service! :p

-Gerhard